(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:2]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[9]KM[7.50]TM[780]
PW[Mango]PB[antbot9x9]DT[2006-02-05]EV[Eleventh KGS Computer Go Tournament - Open division]RO[8]PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]C[Mango [?\]: GTP Engine for Mango (white): Mango version 0.01
antbot9x9 [?\]: GTP Engine for antbot9x9 (black): AntIgo version 1.0
]
;B[gc]CR[gc]BL[777.082]
;W[df]CR[df]WL[779.772]
;B[ee]CR[ee]BL[774.157]
;W[ce]CR[ce]WL[730.327]
;B[ef]CR[ef]BL[772.653]
;W[eg]CR[eg]WL[685.394]
;B[fg]CR[fg]BL[770.752]
;W[dd]CR[dd]WL[642.835]
;B[dg]CR[dg]BL[769.447]
;W[eh]CR[eh]WL[600.531]
;B[cf]CR[cf]BL[768.079]
;W[de]CR[de]WL[561.635]
;B[ed]CR[ed]BL[741.337]
;W[cg]CR[cg]WL[527.644]
;B[dc]CR[dc]BL[734.153]
;W[dh]CR[dh]WL[497.195]
;B[cc]CR[cc]BL[725.603]
;W[bd]CR[bd]WL[467.43]
;B[ec]CR[ec]BL[717.015]
;W[bc]CR[bc]WL[443.027]
;B[fh]CR[fh]BL[708.96]
;W[cb]CR[cb]WL[420.714]
;B[be]CR[be]BL[700.066]
;W[cd]CR[cd]WL[396.587]
;B[db]CR[db]BL[669.857]
;W[bb]CR[bb]WL[372.955]
;B[ff]CR[ff]BL[660.371]
;W[hf]CR[hf]WL[353.838]
;B[ge]CR[ge]BL[645.168]
;W[hh]CR[hh]WL[335.086]
;B[hg]CR[hg]BL[631.798]
;W[ig]CR[ig]WL[318.914]
;B[gg]CR[gg]BL[596.191]
;W[hc]CR[hc]WL[303.021]
;B[gb]CR[gb]BL[580.17]
;W[hd]CR[hd]WL[288.215]
;B[gd]CR[gd]BL[554.686]
;W[hb]CR[hb]WL[274.586]
;B[he]CR[he]BL[535.277]
;W[ie]CR[ie]WL[262.349]
;B[ei]CR[ei]BL[518.625]
;W[di]CR[di]WL[249.81]
;B[fi]CR[fi]BL[503.178]
;W[if]CR[if]WL[237.759]
;B[gf]CR[gf]BL[478.297]
;W[ih]CR[ih]WL[226.865]
;B[ca]CR[ca]BL[465.237]
;W[ha]CR[ha]WL[216.819]
;B[hi]CR[hi]BL[433.353]
;W[ga]CR[ga]WL[207.083]
;B[fa]CR[fa]BL[404.127]
;W[ea]CR[ea]WL[198.385]
;B[da]CR[da]BL[375.941]
;W[fb]CR[fb]WL[190.041]
;B[ba]CR[ba]BL[354.272]
;W[gh]CR[gh]WL[181.549]
;B[gi]CR[gi]BL[302.696]
;W[id]CR[id]WL[173.654]
;B[ib]CR[ib]BL[290.636]
;W[fa]CR[fa]WL[165.692]
;B[bh]CR[bh]BL[277.498]
;W[bg]CR[bg]WL[157.623]
;B[]BL[261.622]
;W[]WL[157.623]TW[dg]TB[ea][fa][ga][ha][ia][eb][fb][hb][fc][hc][ic][fd][hd][id][fe][ie][hf][if][ig][gh][hh][ih][ii]C[Mango [?\]: You and the engine seem to disagree about which stones are dead. Sorry, this cannot be solved. You must either accept the engine's choices or adjourn the game. If you think the engine is incorrect, then please contact its author.
RemiCoulom [12k\]: that one is tricky.
antbot9x9 [?\]: You and the engine seem to disagree about which stones are dead. Sorry, this cannot be solved. You must either accept the engine's choices or adjourn the game. If you think the engine is incorrect, then please contact its author.
RemiCoulom [12k\]: cleanup should definitely be enforced, I think.
maproom [8k?\]: that is the plan
maproom [8k?\]: it would also be good if they didn't pass with open points like A9
maproom [8k?\]: my reading says that whoever plays first, that is a seki, so W wins
maproom [8k?\]: any opinions?
RemiCoulom [12k\]: I agree
antminder [?\]: good enough for me 
maproom [8k?\]: one small eye each, enough mutual liberties, it must be seki#
maproom [8k?\]: I'll wait three minutes for a stronger player
zapp [?\]: Yes if black tries to kill black loses
maproom [8k?\]: if B is sane it starts at f7
gunnar [?\]: I would say white wins by komi... The right is seki and the left is unenclosed.
zapp [?\]: Yes then wA8 BE8 w A9 BJ1 WF6 Atari 
maproom [8k?\]: gunnar's view is diffferernt, but his result is the same
maproom [8k?\]: I shall assign it as a win for W, Mango
maproom [8k?\]: done
Toru [6d\]: in this case, white's territory is zero
antminder [?\]: thanks
Toru [6d\]: so, black wins
maproom [8k?\]: oh
maproom [8k?\]: where is B's terrritory?
antminder [?\]: chinese counting?
maproom [8k?\]: yes Chinese
gunnar [?\]: But territory isn't really relevant anyway.
maproom [8k?\]: it seems I am too late to change it
maproom [8k?\]: I assigned the win to W before Toru spoke
antminder [?\]: this does not trouble me
gogy [8k\]: seki i would say...but dont know chinese rules
RemiCoulom [12k\]: I don't understand Toru. If no territory, then white wins by komi ?
maproom [8k?\]: but I don't understand why Toru thinks B wins
Toru [6d\]: if it's chinese counting, white has the points with his stones
Toru [6d\]: that's all
maproom [8k?\]: same for B
maproom [8k?\]: and W has komi
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