(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[9]KM[7.50]TM[780]
PW[agog]PB[MonteGNU]DT[2007-08-05]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[MonteGNU [-\]: GTP Engine for MonteGNU (black): GNU Go version 3.7.10
agog [?\]: GTP Engine for agog (white): Goanna version 0.1.1
]RE[W+0.50]
;B[ee]BL[779.698]
;W[ff]WL[749.386]
;B[fe]BL[778.867]
;W[cf]WL[723.566]
;B[df]BL[777.13]
;W[dg]WL[698.598]
;B[ce]BL[774.864]
;W[ge]WL[674.5]
;B[cg]BL[741.869]
;W[ef]WL[651.15]
;B[de]BL[708.521]
;W[ch]WL[628.543]
;B[eg]BL[681.354]
;W[bg]WL[606.711]
;B[gf]BL[655.089]
;W[fg]WL[585.554]
;B[gg]BL[627.682]
;W[fh]WL[565.085]C[tmc [-\]: Who's winning?
joelv [15k?\]: i wish i knew
]
;B[gd]BL[602.458]C[gunnar [?\]: Black says 54.1% chance to win...
gunnar [?\]: Which means it has no idea.
tmc [-\]: heh
]
;W[he]WL[545.273]C[joelv [15k?\]: :)
]
;B[hd]BL[573.617]C[joelv [15k?\]: would you like to chat about the kinds of knowledge you use in your program gunnar?
gunnar [?\]: But white is forced to invade on the upper side to have a chance.
joelv [15k?\]: i am still trying to find bits and pieces that help goanna
]
;W[dc]WL[526.099]C[gunnar [?\]: Sure.
gunnar [?\]: And black must of course kill D7.
joelv [15k?\]: do you do anything to bias the playouts from playing self atari moves?
]
;B[bf]BL[545.709]C[joelv [15k?\]: i have tried some things, but i havent got anything working
]
;W[bc]WL[507.724]C[gunnar [?\]: Yes.
]
;B[eb]BL[514.736]C[gunnar [?\]: Most self ataris are moved to a backfilling move.
]
;W[ec]WL[489.824]C[joelv [15k?\]: what do you mean by backfilling?
gunnar [?\]: I.e., play instead on the single liberty of the self atari move, unless that's also a self atari.
]
;B[cg]BL[487.957]
;W[eh]WL[472.706]C[joelv [15k?\]: thats an interesting idea
]
;B[fc]BL[461.026]
;W[db]WL[456.144]C[gunnar [?\]: White should be able to win now.
joelv [15k?\]: did it help you much?
gunnar [?\]: I don't know. :-)
]
;B[fb]BL[436.239]
;W[af]WL[440.216]C[joelv [15k?\]: hehe, it's a bit like that isn't it! :)
tmc [-\]: b4 seemed in the wrong area
gunnar [?\]: It must be matched with a strong tendency to defend against peeps, otherwise things will only become worse.
gunnar [?\]: Yes, b4 should have been b7 or so.
]
;B[ae]BL[409.974]
;W[bd]WL[424.674]C[joelv [15k?\]: what does monte-gnu think now?
]
;B[ag]BL[383.676]C[gunnar [?\]: 58.7% actually.
dimkadimon: must be close then
tmc [-\]: heh
]
;W[gh]WL[409.852]C[gunnar [?\]: I haven't counted but it may be that white is near having two too small groups.
]
;B[bh]BL[359.432]
;W[hg]WL[395.44]C[dimkadimon: this is exciting
]
;B[da]BL[335.379]C[gunnar [?\]: Upper left is not entirely safe either, I think.
]
;W[ca]WL[381.462]
;B[ea]BL[313.291]C[gunnar [?\]: 59.2%
elife [2d?\]: seems w+
]
;W[bb]WL[368.029]
;B[ie]BL[294.918]
;W[hf]WL[355.14]C[gunnar [?\]: E9 could have been much more aggressive.
]
;B[dh]BL[279.942]C[gunnar [?\]: Sudden drop down to 15.7%...
]
;W[cd]WL[342.708]C[tmc [-\]: That is odd
tmc [-\]: Can you explain it?
gunnar [?\]: No.
]
;B[ci]BL[263.536]C[dimkadimon: strange
]
;W[if]WL[330.506]
;B[id]BL[253.413]C[gunnar [?\]: I suppose it will W+0.5 now.
]
;W[ad]WL[318.914]
;B[ba]BL[247.876]
;W[cb]WL[307.713]
;B[ab]BL[242.278]
;W[dd]WL[296.854]
;B[ed]BL[226.491]
;W[fa]WL[286.449]C[elife [2d?\]: some positions are hard for MC playouts to evaluate correctly
]
;B[be]BL[221.331]
;W[ei]WL[276.369]
;B[hh]BL[218.557]
;W[ih]WL[266.632]
;B[di]BL[217.892]
;W[hi]WL[257.267]
;B[eg]BL[217.598]
;W[ia]WL[248.154]
;B[dg]BL[217.261]
;W[fi]WL[238.817]
;B[fd]BL[216.904]C[tmc [-\]: I can imagine long forced sequences might be difficult to fine, but this didn't seem to be a case of that.
]
;W[gg]WL[230.457]
;B[ga]BL[216.617]
;W[ah]WL[222.32]
(;B[gb]BL[216.316]
;W[hc]WL[213.356]
;B[hb]BL[216.051]
;W[]WL[213.355]
;B[ib]BL[215.744]
;W[ai]WL[205.822]
;B[ha]BL[215.425]
;W[aa]WL[198.577]
;B[gc]BL[215.139]
;W[ac]WL[191.595]
;B[ic]BL[214.828]
;W[]WL[191.595]
;B[bi]BL[214.54]
;W[]WL[191.595]
;B[]BL[214.539]TW[ba][ab][cc][gf][ig][hh][gi][ii]TB[fa][ia][hc][af][cf][bg][ah][ch][ai]C[joelv [15k?\]: thanks for the game
gunnar [?\]: Well done.
])
(;B[]BL[216.617]
;W[]WL[222.32]TW[aa][ba][ab][ac][cc][gf][ig][hh][gi][ii]TB[fa][ha][ia][gb][hb][ib][gc][hc][ic][af][cf][bg][ah][ch][ai][bi]C[MonteGNU [-\]: Disagreement over tournament scoring. Switching to cleanup mode.
]))
