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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go version 12.001]
SZ[19]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[MoGoBot1]
PW[Fuego]
DT[2009-11-08]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.5]
TM[840]
RU[Chinese]
RE[B+Resign]
WR[3k]
OT[25/30 Canadian]
C[Fuego [3k\]: GTP Engine for Fuego (white): FuegoEx version 6.6.SVN
MoGoBot1 [?\]: GTP Engine for MoGoBot1 (black): MoGo version 3.0.0: \
I'll resign if you win and playing until you pass if I win. If \
you passed and I did not, it often means that the status of some \
stones are not clear enough for me (I want to be sure we will \
agree on dead stones). Clarify them. Maybe I am losing, but have \
not enough time to be sure I should resign. In this case play \
until the end :'( (very rare cases)]
CA[UTF-8];B[pd]BL[839.789];W[jq]WL[827.963];B[dp]BL[839.585];W[kh]WL[815.8];B[pp]BL[839.372];W[qj]WL[804.704];B[dd]
C[mmueller [-\]: book is not loaded :(]
BL[839.17];W[cm]WL[793.577]
;B[dk]BL[835.092];W[co]WL[783.287];B[cp]BL[830.902];W[qm]WL[773.504];B[nq]BL[826.632];W[gi]
C[bolb [-\]: book ?]
WL[762.808];B[hq]BL[821.982];W[kn]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: fuego got behind seriously in the opening @_@]
WL[753.345];B[lq]BL[817.245];W[cf]WL[742.311]
;B[do]BL[812.234];W[dn]WL[734.135];B[en]BL[806.777];W[em]WL[728.464];B[fm]BL[801.279];W[fn]WL[723.034];B[eo]BL[795.331];W[el]WL[719.689];B[fl]BL[789.755];W[ek]WL[711.401]
;B[gn]BL[783.73];W[nn]WL[703.126];B[fd]
C[mmueller [-\]: not so bad now]
BL[777.593];W[lc]WL[693.432];B[ic]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: yes]
BL[771.18];W[nc]WL[685.063];B[oc]BL[764.312];W[qh]WL[675.781];B[nb]BL[757.656];W[nd]WL[669.134]
;B[ln]BL[750.827];W[lm]WL[661.662];B[km]BL[743.609];W[lo]WL[655.749];B[mn]BL[736.23];W[mm]WL[647.006];B[mo]BL[728.668];W[mb]WL[637.264];B[pb]BL[720.669];W[kl]WL[629.407]
;B[jm]BL[712.81];W[jl]
C[PaperTiger [1k?\]: Too much cash for black]
WL[624.026];B[ne]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: oh]
BL[704.459];W[oe]WL[618.08];B[od]BL[695.677];W[me]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: j7 atari is so big.]
WL[612.039];B[nf]BL[687.158];W[no]WL[609.831];B[mp]BL[678.016];W[im]WL[607.428]
;B[jn]BL[668.977];W[in]WL[598.823];B[jo]BL[659.79];W[io]WL[595.174];B[md]BL[650.105];W[mc]WL[591.126];B[pf]BL[640.668];W[ko]WL[588.666];B[jp]BL[630.814];W[hp]WL[581.783]
;B[ip]BL[620.797];W[iq]WL[577.144];B[kp]BL[610.467];W[gq]WL[574.78];B[ho]BL[599.817];W[gp]WL[570.845];B[hr]BL[588.999];W[fo]
C[PaperTiger [1k?\]: Humm]
WL[565.904];B[il]BL[578.239];W[hl]WL[560.369]
;B[ik]BL[567.072];W[hm]WL[557.967];B[gr]BL[555.755];W[hn]WL[553.262];B[fp]BL[544.595];W[go]WL[551.496];B[fq]BL[533.895];W[gm]WL[548.969];B[ll]BL[522.765];W[mf]WL[544.511]
;B[kk]
C[mmueller [-\]: ouch]
BL[511.898];W[of]
C[dresu [30k\]: well game over now]
WL[540.528];B[ng]BL[501.272];W[ml]WL[535.227];B[lk]BL[490.286];W[og]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: White still has chance.]
WL[533.047];B[bd]BL[479.473];W[ch]
C[PaperTiger [1k?\]: Black doesn't seem too concerned :)]
WL[525.943];B[li]BL[468.487];W[nh]WL[519.605]
;B[mg]BL[457.241];W[na]WL[514.402];B[mh]BL[446.013];W[nk]WL[507.113];B[qc]BL[435.268];W[id]WL[499.516];B[jc]BL[424.535];W[hc]
C[dresu [30k\]: r17 looks like "please, resign" move]
WL[494.912];B[jd]BL[414.114];W[hd]WL[489.973]
;B[je]BL[403.47];W[if]
C[ThePok [20k\]: some more to say mr 30k?
ThePok [20k\]: :D]
WL[483.661];B[kf]BL[393.524];W[lg]WL[478.837];B[ie]BL[383.895];W[he]WL[474.764];B[hf]BL[374.572];W[gf]
C[dresu [30k\]: lol, would you give me a teaching game mr expert?]
WL[469.954];B[hg]BL[365.371];W[gg]
C[PaperTiger [1k?\]: 30k in rank, 9d in sandbagging]
WL[465.778]
;B[ge]
C[ThePok [20k\]: maybe in poker
ThePok [20k\]: :D]
BL[356.503];W[ih]WL[461.839];B[hb]
C[PaperTiger [1k?\]: I'm surprised KGS admins haven't deranked you, \
actually]
BL[347.326];W[gc]WL[455.783];B[ig]BL[338.752];W[hh]
C[dresu [30k\]: I am also surprised]
WL[452.803];B[jg]
C[dresu [30k\]: but I won't complain ;)]
BL[330.207];W[fe]WL[449.126];B[gd]BL[321.709];W[ed]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: oh fuego]
WL[447.24]
;B[fc]BL[313.839];W[ec]WL[444.846];B[fb]BL[306.116];W[mi]WL[441.33];B[lh]BL[298.754];W[lj]WL[439.055];B[ki]BL[291.352];W[dc]WL[434.138];B[ee]BL[284.357];W[de]WL[430.386]
;B[ff]BL[277.321];W[pe]WL[423.995];B[cd]BL[270.168];W[er]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: Maybe fuego does not handle ladder..]
WL[417.481];B[fr]BL[263.443];W[kj]WL[411.473];B[ji]BL[256.887];W[kb]WL[405.167];B[qe]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: It likes to play ladder atari that will not succeed.]
BL[250.387];W[bb]
C[Aloriless [5k?\]: well, its playing desperate]
WL[399.449]
;B[oh]BL[244.305];W[pg]WL[394.606];B[df]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: I think this is a serious problem.]
BL[238.304];W[ce]WL[389.735];B[cc]BL[232.444];W[db]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: *It]
WL[385.884];B[cb]
C[mmueller [-\]: it is typical of MC programs]
BL[226.516];W[oq]WL[380.42];B[op]
C[mmueller [-\]: when they are lost they play silly "threats"]
BL[221.252];W[jj]WL[373.84]
;B[jh]
C[Aloriless [5k?\]: btw.. I have been experimenting with dynamic \
komi a bit at OGS in lost positions too]
BL[215.798];W[jk]WL[369.692];B[ij]
C[Aloriless [5k?\]: instead of losing whole board loses by few points]
BL[210.277];W[mk]WL[363.96];B[qg]
C[mmueller [-\]: any wins from that?]
BL[205.283];W[ph]
C[Aloriless [5k?\]: or if losing too much, then I let it resign]
WL[358.882];B[be]BL[200.517];W[bf]WL[354.412];B[cg]BL[195.529];W[bg]WL[350.651]
;B[da]BL[190.566];W[qr]
C[Aloriless [5k?\]: well, too few games to say, but endgame is much \
more beatiful on both winning and losing sides on 9x9 board]
WL[344.402];B[pq]BL[185.607];W[eg]WL[337.666];B[rp]BL[181.027];W[rb]WL[331.293];B[rc]
C[Aloriless [5k?\]: doubt it has much effect on results, I'm using \
it once win rate goes > 90% or < 35%]
BL[176.279];W[bq]WL[325.476];B[ob]
C[mmueller [-\]: oh]
BL[172.214];W[eq]WL[320.266]
;B[bp]BL[168.126];W[cq]WL[314.716];B[dq]BL[164.19];W[dr]WL[313.141];B[ep]BL[160.363];W[bo]WL[310.7];B[br]BL[156.399];W[ap]WL[306.872];B[cr]BL[152.21];W[le]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: This mogo is really strong. @_@
Aloriless [5k?\]: anyway, even if it weakened a bit, I would prefer \
it against humans because it leads to more human like endgame \
when game is not close]
WL[299.986]
;B[qf]BL[148.619];W[aq]WL[296.727];B[ar]BL[145.203];W[ao]WL[292.958];B[fg]
C[mmueller [-\]: I see.]
BL[141.855];W[or]WL[286.173];B[pr]
C[Aloriless [5k?\]: algorithm is this:]
BL[138.61];W[qo]WL[279.292];B[es]BL[135.256];W[np]WL[272.613]
;B[nr]
C[Aloriless [5k?\]: when winning > 90%, adjust komi as long win \
rate stays >=60%]
BL[132.268];W[fh]WL[266.649];B[qp]BL[128.945];W[ef]WL[261.489];B[fe]BL[125.668];W[rg]
C[Aloriless [5k?\]: then select among those moves one that still \
gives <=10% rate for opponent]
WL[254.478];B[rf]
C[mmueller [-\]: Fuego score = 0.17]
BL[122.848];W[lr]WL[247.595];B[kq]
C[mmueller [-\]: optimistic :)]
BL[119.928];W[mr]WL[241.555]
;B[mq]BL[116.797];W[ps]WL[234.718];B[os]BL[114.107];W[is]
C[Aloriless [5k?\]: so its greedy, but doesn't take risks]
WL[228.712];B[ni]BL[111.347];W[se]WL[222.258];B[rh]
C[Aloriless [5k?\]: when win rate is < 35%, adjust komi so that \
it gets >=35%]
BL[108.428];W[rd]WL[215.523];B[sc]BL[106.151];W[ri]WL[210.277]
;B[qd]
C[HYamashita [2k?\]: I also tried similar komi adjustment. I got \
0.50 to 0.53 against gnugo.]
BL[103.374];W[ro]WL[203.471];B[ii]BL[100.418];W[sp]WL[197.316];B[rq]BL[98.092];W[sq]
C[Aloriless [5k?\]: here I have idea also: move should be so that \
its win rate would still be close to what it would be right komi]
WL[190.604];B[rr]BL[95.365];W[oi]WL[183.615];B[ir]BL[93.004];W[sh]WL[178.29]
;B[sf]
C[pasky [2d\]: i'm using simple static komi compensation for handicap \
stones, linearly decreasing through first 200 moves, and it's \
a remarkable improvement in handicap games]
BL[90.7];W[mj]WL[172.795];B[nh]
C[Aloriless [5k?\]: this way could do dual purpose: don't throw \
game totally away, but still try tricks and not solidify to lost \
game]
BL[88.233];W[ia]WL[166.743];B[gh]BL[86.204];W[hi]WL[161.066];B[eh]
C[mmueller [-\]: Thanks for the game
mmueller [-\]: We have to catch up to Mogo again :(]
BL[84.129])
