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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go version 12.001]
SZ[19]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[ManyFaces1]
PW[pachi2]
DT[2010-03-07]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.5]
TM[1740]
RU[Chinese]
RE[B+Resign]
BR[1d]
WR[2k]
OT[25/30 Canadian]
C[ManyFaces1 [1d\]: GTP Engine for ManyFaces1 (black): Many Faces \
of Go version 12 (2008 world champion), playing at level 2 kyu. \
Uses Many Faces' knowledge combined with Monte Carlo evaluation. \
Free evaluation download at www.smart-games.com. iPhone/iPod \
Igowin app has this full engine.
pachi2 [2k\]: GTP Engine for pachi2 (white): Pachi UCT Engine \
version 5.99 (Dochi-devel): I'm playing UCT. When I'm losing, \
I will resign, if I think I win, I play until you pass. Anyone \
can send me 'winrate' in private chat to get my assessment of \
the position.
pasky [1d?\]: hehe :)
fotland [?\]: Another tough game for MF
fotland [?\]: what hardware is pachi?  the 23-core?
pasky [1d?\]: MF is likely to win]
CA[UTF-8];B[qd]
C[pasky [1d?\]: i think it's 21-core now, not sure]
BL[1737.268];W[hq]WL[1728.116];B[dc]BL[1733.136];W[cj]WL[1709.803];B[qo]
C[fotland [?\]: so MF maybe 70% likely to win.  far from certain]
BL[1728.695];W[cf]WL[1673.801];B[ce]BL[1720.813];W[de]WL[1662.918]
;B[cd]
C[pasky [1d?\]: we will see how it unfolds :)]
BL[1715.932];W[qh]WL[1626.968];B[qj]
C[chid0ri [?\]: manyfaces does have a more orthodox fuseki :)]
BL[1704.896];W[pj]WL[1608.496];B[pk]BL[1696.483];W[oj]WL[1597.797];B[qi]BL[1689.56];W[qk]WL[1586.351];B[ql]
C[pasky [1d?\]: hmm i could feed pachi's games to our styles classifier \
;)]
BL[1681.841];W[rk]WL[1575.548]
;B[rl]BL[1674.096];W[ok]
C[fotland [?\]: i had to add rule last month to play in a corner \
like lower left]
WL[1564.919];B[pl]
C[fotland [?\]: before mf would never come in
chid0ri [?\]: pasky, does your style classifier work alredy?
fotland [?\]: since no rule matched]
BL[1665.971];W[pi]WL[1534.469];B[rj]BL[1658.228];W[jf]WL[1522.32];B[df]
C[pasky [1d?\]: hehe :)]
BL[1650.521];W[dg]
C[pasky [1d?\]: chid0ri: well, uh... a bit ;)]
WL[1511.697];B[ef]
C[pasky [1d?\]: that's the other other thing i should be doing tonigh]
BL[1642.598];W[eg]WL[1500.99]
;B[cg]
C[chid0ri [?\]: well stop watching your bot play and do it then \
:)]
BL[1634.417];W[bf]WL[1486.338];B[dq]
C[fotland [?\]: there it is :)]
BL[1612.697];W[ff]WL[1475.756];B[ee]BL[1604.366];W[fe]WL[1474.808];B[ed]BL[1596.288];W[en]
C[fotland [?\]: looks like pachi will give up all four corners for \
a big center]
WL[1458.621];B[ch]BL[1577.872];W[di]WL[1430.816]
;B[dh]BL[1569.746];W[eh]WL[1420.398];B[fg]
C[chid0ri [?\]: he seems to be quite influence-oriented whenever \
I see him play]
BL[1561.453];W[fh]WL[1409.813];B[gg]BL[1553.096];W[he]WL[1376.445];B[gh]BL[1544.76];W[fj]WL[1365.035];B[jh]
C[fotland [?\]: center fight should decide this game]
BL[1533.369];W[lf]WL[1331.078]
;B[lh]
C[pasky [1d?\]: pretty shapes for once]
BL[1513.864];W[lk]WL[1298.839];B[nh]BL[1505.163];W[og]WL[1287.432];B[ng]BL[1496.533];W[nf]WL[1277.452];B[of]BL[1487.556];W[mg]WL[1250.105];B[ne]BL[1478.671];W[mf]WL[1240.122]
;B[ph]BL[1469.791];W[pf]WL[1224.19];B[oh]
C[pasky [1d?\]: !]
BL[1460.455];W[oe]WL[1223.247];B[qg]
C[pasky [1d?\]: ah will cut out the rest]
BL[1451.187];W[mh]WL[1213.27];B[mi]BL[1441.947];W[ni]WL[1203.292];B[mj]BL[1432.668];W[mk]WL[1193.408]
;B[hj]
C[fotland [?\]: black might die now
fotland [?\]: 46%]
BL[1423.422];W[ik]WL[1164.788];B[hk]BL[1414.16];W[hl]
C[pasky [1d?\]: i don't have access to pachi2 stats
pasky [1d?\]: wb jlg]
WL[1155.036];B[gl]
C[Hannoskaj [?\]: Since MC tends to underestimate invasions, I would \
give Many Faces the better chances if looking at its evaluation \
alone.]
BL[1404.417];W[ij]
C[fotland [?\]: paski taking extra time here]
WL[1105.916];B[il]BL[1394.486];W[hm]WL[1090.645];B[im]
C[jlg [4k?\]: pachi2 61% (my net connection very flaky)]
BL[1381.582];W[hi]
C[fotland [?\]: 49% here]
WL[1075.609]
;B[gi]BL[1371.679];W[gm]
C[jlg [4k?\]: pachi2 is too optimistic]
WL[1039.6];B[fl]BL[1361.29];W[el]WL[1014.022];B[fm]BL[1351.224];W[gj]WL[1000.026];B[gk]BL[1340.459];W[fn]WL[999.039];B[ii]
C[pasky [1d?\]: well
pasky [1d?\]: it doesn't seem very easy for b
pasky [1d?\]: after this squeeze]
BL[1330.079];W[em]WL[981.328]
;B[hh]
C[pasky [1d?\]: b should give up these stones]
BL[1319.704];W[fk]WL[980.367];B[hi]BL[1308.569];W[kj]WL[979.379];B[ki]BL[1297.888];W[rh]WL[965.988];B[pg]
C[fotland [?\]: should ahve played e11 a few moves ago after f6]
BL[1286.968];W[sk]WL[952.16];B[sl]BL[1275.998];W[qf]WL[927.943]
;B[rg]BL[1264.783];W[rf]WL[914.61];B[sh]BL[1253.431];W[lm]WL[902.301];B[nd]BL[1241.802];W[od]WL[889.827];B[oc]BL[1230.103];W[pc]WL[877.804];B[nc]BL[1218.386];W[kc]WL[840.593]
;B[pd]BL[1206.265];W[qc]WL[804.282];B[rc]BL[1193.948];W[rb]WL[793.61];B[of]BL[1170.63];W[pe]
C[fotland [?\]: instant move?]
WL[792.639];B[pb]
C[pasky [1d?\]: probably pre-read]
BL[1157.833];W[qb]WL[782.347];B[if]BL[1144.977];W[ie]WL[772.233]
;B[jj]BL[1122.845];W[jk]WL[762.33];B[kl]BL[1109.191];W[kk]
C[fotland [?\]: what is it thinking?  It should just live]
WL[752.238];B[je]
C[pasky [1d?\]: it's hard to give up the b group :)]
BL[1088.278];W[ke]
C[pasky [1d?\]: ow ow]
WL[737.775];B[jd]BL[1075.275];W[hf]
C[fotland [?\]: key point]
WL[707.909];B[ig]
C[fotland [?\]: black needed h14 to live]
BL[1059.593];W[jc]WL[699.003]
;B[jg]
C[pasky [1d?\]: black can still live
pasky [1d?\]: plus there is still the o10 atari to get out somewhat]
BL[1046.918];W[kf]
C[jlg [4k?\]: yes q15 was played very quickly because p14 had been \
predicted]
WL[682.759];B[in]BL[1034.499];W[gn]
C[pasky [1d?\]: oh lol i overlooked this :)]
WL[681.812];B[ll]BL[1013.136];W[li]
C[fotland [?\]: ouch]
WL[673.268];B[lj]BL[1001.203];W[ml]WL[672.286];B[kn]
C[fotland [?\]: shoudl o10 first]
BL[989.097];W[nj]
C[fotland [?\]: stilll lots of room for bot improvement]
WL[663.837]
;B[li]BL[977];W[mn]WL[662.866];B[lo]
C[fotland [?\]: black wants a big semeai
pasky [1d?\]: l13 now]
BL[965.352];W[mo]WL[654.548];B[mp]
C[fotland [?\]: l13 ko for life
pasky [1d?\]: ah right]
BL[953.828];W[np]WL[646.28];B[mq]
C[Regenbogen [2d\]: now l13]
BL[942.041];W[ol]WL[638.049];B[kg]BL[929.724];W[nq]
C[Regenbogen [2d\]: w was too late :)]
WL[629.611]
;B[nr]BL[918.572];W[or]WL[621.337];B[lr]BL[907.586];W[ns]WL[613.101];B[mr]BL[896.767];W[oo]
C[pasky [1d?\]: what are the rates?
ibd [7k?\]: r3]
WL[604.699];B[pq]BL[886.005];W[oq]
C[Aloriless [?\]: still ko?
ibd [7k?\]: alive
fotland [?\]: 39%
ibd [7k?\]: or not?
Regenbogen [2d\]: ko]
WL[595.729];B[fi]BL[860.399];W[ei]
C[pasky [1d?\]: b has gazillion ko threats
Aloriless [?\]: black wants to play ko threats first ;-)]
WL[587.385]
;B[nm]
C[jlg [4k?\]: pachi2 still happy (62%)]
BL[849.93];W[pp]
C[Aloriless [?\]: at least fuego has that problem
pasky [1d?\]: mcts generally seems to :)
Aloriless [?\]: play almost all ko threats and then start ko]
WL[575.04];B[om]BL[831.14];W[mm]WL[566.669];B[qq]BL[812.987];W[qp]WL[558.319];B[rp]BL[803.143];W[jp]WL[549.87];B[jq]BL[776.704];W[rq]WL[548.895]
;B[rr]BL[766.533];W[ro]WL[540.257];B[sq]BL[756.536];W[qn]WL[531.72];B[pn]BL[746.875];W[po]WL[523.272];B[nn]BL[737.063];W[no]WL[514.718];B[nl]BL[727.392];W[km]WL[506.115]
;B[re]
C[pasky [1d?\]: surely not 62% anymore?
ibd [7k?\]: here we ko]
BL[703.513];W[jn]WL[486.511];B[sf]
C[Aloriless [?\]: 2 kos]
BL[694.527];W[jr]
C[Regenbogen [2d\]: this was sente for b]
WL[461.281];B[iq]BL[685.652];W[ip]WL[453.229];B[ir]BL[677.269];W[hr]WL[445.052];B[kr]
C[jlg [4k?\]: pachi2 has smoked something... (65%)]
BL[669.015];W[js]WL[420.633]
;B[ks]
C[pasky [1d?\]: jlg: heh :) does the ownermap look sensible?]
BL[656.552];W[kq]WL[402.484];B[is]BL[648.561];W[ob]
C[jlg [4k?\]: I can't have detailed logs (in the train with very \
flaky connection)]
WL[401.472];B[kp]
C[pasky [1d?\]: ah i see]
BL[631.717];W[gb]WL[375.58];B[jo]BL[624.026];W[io]WL[368.35];B[jm]BL[615.954];W[nk]
C[ThePok [18k?\]: try using vpn
ThePok [18k?\]: that will help]
WL[344.016]
;B[ji]
C[Regenbogen [2d\]: p13 big]
BL[600.639];W[og]WL[322.475];B[nb]BL[592.409];W[jl]
C[Regenbogen [2d\]: uh
pasky [1d?\]: ..right]
WL[316.15];B[hp]BL[572.634];W[oa]WL[309.941];B[na]BL[565.581];W[pa]WL[303.694];B[of]BL[556.667];W[sj]WL[297.603]
;B[si]BL[549.978];W[og]WL[291.931];B[co]BL[543.116];W[of]WL[286.321];B[be]BL[536.385];W[ho]WL[280.774];B[gp]BL[529.79];W[fp]WL[275.137];B[cl]BL[523.022];W[cm]WL[269.423]
;B[bm]
C[ThePok [18k?\]: fotland, wat will you do, after go is solved?
Aloriless [?\]: GNU Go: close game]
BL[516.476];W[bl]WL[250.834];B[cn]BL[510.04];W[ck]WL[249.875];B[dm]BL[503.588];W[dl]WL[248.869];B[gq]
C[ibd [7k?\]: there will be no more war when go is solved]
BL[496.823];W[fq]WL[243.022];B[gr]BL[490.229];W[dp]WL[242.063]
;B[cq]
C[ThePok [18k?\]: so in 5 years worldpeace]
BL[476.688];W[cm]WL[241.097];B[fr]BL[470.686];W[cp]WL[234.976];B[bp]BL[464.832];W[bq]
C[Aloriless [?\]: maybe 7x7 could be solved in that time ;-)
ibd [7k?\]: more like 5'000'000 years]
WL[234.022];B[br]BL[458.69];W[bh]
C[ThePok [18k?\]: solved in the sens of every human is beaten]
WL[227.405];B[bg]BL[452.982];W[ci]
C[goIngo [?\]: 7x7 is out of reach]
WL[226.453]
;B[af]BL[446.994];W[bo]
C[ibd [7k?\]: that's not 'solved' in any sense]
WL[225.498];B[aq]
C[goIngo [?\]: ok, top human level may be possible]
BL[441.274];W[bn]WL[224.467];B[sb]BL[435.753];W[qe]WL[217.648];B[rd]
C[ibd [7k?\]: homo sapiens is weak ;)]
BL[430.001];W[se]WL[216.607];B[sd]
C[ThePok [18k?\]: no]
BL[424.686];W[ra]
C[pasky [1d?\]: i think probabilistically solved concept makes sense]
WL[215.626]
;B[bi]
C[ThePok [18k?\]: humans + 3 stones = god
Aloriless [?\]: yeah, maybe 10-20 years for 7x7, 6x6 could be \
solved soon maybe]
BL[419.387];W[eb]WL[208.394];B[fc]
C[jlg [4k?\]: pachi2 73%]
BL[412.151];W[gc]
C[pasky [1d?\]: being able to mathematically prove that with at \
least given probability, you can play optimal move on any position]
WL[201.073];B[fb]
C[pasky [1d?\]: yes starts looking good for w]
BL[407.039];W[fa]WL[193.612];B[gd]BL[401.855];W[fd]
C[goIngo [?\]: what is pachi hardware today?]
WL[186.135];B[ec]
C[ThePok [18k?\]: 21 core]
BL[396.819];W[dn]
C[ibd [7k?\]: I can give play the optimal move with at least 0.277%
ibd [7k?\]: :p]
WL[178.396]
;B[ep]BL[391.588];W[do]WL[170.758];B[fo]
C[goIngo [?\]: ibd, also on 37x37?]
BL[386.686];W[qs]WL[162.992];B[rs]
C[pasky [1d?\]: ibd: if you can prove that easily, that would be \
immensely useful for go development :)]
BL[381.84];W[so]
C[goIngo [?\]: he plays equal distribution]
WL[151.83];B[sp]
C[ibd [7k?\]:  yes
pasky [1d?\]: ah
pasky [1d?\]: right :)
Aloriless [?\]: few moves ago, GNU Go: W+14
goIngo [?\]: 1/361=0.002771]
BL[376.944];W[bj]WL[135.57];B[ah]BL[372.125];W[da]WL[128.618]
;B[db]BL[367.347];W[ga]WL[106.353];B[ea]BL[362.228];W[sr]
C[ibd [7k?\]: on 37x37 I play worse ;p]
WL[91.392];B[hd]BL[357.611];W[id]WL[86.585];B[hc]
C[goIngo [?\]: ;-)]
BL[353.058];W[lp]WL[69.207];B[lq]BL[348.347];W[eq]WL[63.256]
;B[hb]BL[343.867];W[er]WL[54.27];B[go]BL[339.592];W[eo]WL[42.788];B[ka]BL[335.249];W[jb]WL[33.413];B[ja]BL[330.788];W[la]WL[32.437];B[ha]BL[326.553];W[kb]WL[28.131]
;B[ia]BL[322.372];W[lb]WL[26.48];B[hn]BL[313.443];W[dr]WL[21.746];B[cr]BL[309.465];W[qr]WL[17.023];B[ao]BL[305.52];W[qm]WL[13.431];B[pm]BL[301.53];W[rm]WL[10.944]
;B[pr]BL[297.666];W[os]WL[9.59];B[ge]BL[293.84];W[an]WL[8.012];B[ap]BL[290.134];W[gf]
C[jlg [4k?\]: pasky, we'll have to revise the time control]
WL[7.054];B[ic]BL[285.979];W[kd]
C[pasky [1d?\]: how comes?]
WL[4.32];B[se]BL[276.463];W[fs]WL[2.746]
;B[gs]BL[272.792];W[cs]WL[1.778];B[bs]BL[268.973];W[ep]WL[0.834];B[aj]BL[265.373];W[ak]WL[29.712]OW[24];B[ai]BL[261.954];W[oi]WL[28.725]OW[23];B[sg]BL[258.297];W[sm]
C[goIngo [?\]: now terror byopyomi]
WL[27.769]OW[22]
;B[ps]BL[252.084];W[rq]
C[goIngo [?\]: byoyomi]
WL[26.496]OW[21];B[ej]BL[248.265];W[ek]WL[25.356]OW[20];B[es]BL[244.763];W[ds]WL[24.409]OW[19];B[fs]BL[240.754];W[ms]WL[23.232]OW[18];B[lg]BL[237.162];W[bc]WL[22.253]OW[17]
;B[hg]BL[233.752];W[cb]WL[20.687]OW[16];B[ba]BL[230.666];W[ca]WL[19.125]OW[15];B[bb]BL[227.549];W[cc]WL[18.077]OW[14];B[bd]BL[224.579];W[fa]WL[16.503]OW[13];B[ac]BL[221.575];W[sa]WL[14.898]OW[12]
;B[sc]
C[ibd [7k?\]: huh
pasky [1d?\]: ibd: what happenned?
goIngo [?\]: why resign?
ibd [7k?\]: someone set up us the bomb
pasky [1d?\]: :(
pasky [1d?\]: do you have complete logs anywhere or not at all?
pasky [1d?\]: fotland: than kyou for the game
ibd [7k?\]: it's b+3.5
Aloriless [?\]: 3 moves left to play ..
ibd [7k?\]: if you only read 3 moves deep, this is when you can \
savely resign :p
ibd [7k?\]: safely*
pasky [1d?\]: hmm
pasky [1d?\]: i wonder what went wrong :(
ibd [7k?\]: maybe too noisy to resign?
ibd [7k?\]: because of very few playouts
pasky [1d?\]: well it was right to resign
pasky [1d?\]: white lost
ibd [7k?\]: yes
pasky [1d?\]: but how could white lose :)
pasky [1d?\]: it was ahead for most of the game it seemed
pasky [1d?\]: probably h17 was turningpoint]
BL[218.613])
