(;GM[1]FF[4]CA[UTF-8]AP[CGoban:3]ST[2]
RU[Chinese]SZ[19]KM[7.50]TM[840]OT[25/60 Canadian]
PW[Zen19]PB[ManyFaces2]WR[3d]DT[2010-10-10]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]C[ManyFaces2 [-\]: GTP Engine for ManyFaces2 (black): Many Faces of Go version 12 (2008 world champion), playing at level 1 kyu (19x19), 4 Dan (9x9). Uses Many Faces' knowledge combined with Monte Carlo evaluation. Free evaluation download at www.smart-games.com. iPhone/iPod Igowin app has this full engine.
Zen19 [3d\]: GTP Engine for Zen19 (white): Zen version 6.3
]RE[B+5.50]
;B[pd]BL[838.848]C[cdocdo [4k\]: woow!! started!
]
;W[dd]WL[833.055]
;B[pq]BL[836.927]
;W[dp]WL[825.98]
;B[fq]BL[835.289]
;W[dn]WL[818.891]C[splashy [1k\]: this should be interesting
]
;B[jp]BL[831.161]
;W[qn]WL[813.011]
;B[qp]BL[828.711]C[cdocdo [4k\]: yeah, i think so too!
]
;W[qk]WL[806.089]
;B[qi]BL[828.304]C[from2ch [3k\]: is this final?
]
;W[nc]WL[799.079]C[fotland [?\]: zen and MF are about 50-50 recently, but zen might be on bigger hardware today
]
;B[qf]BL[825.925]C[gogonuts [5d\]: zen knows it has byoyomi this time?
]
;W[on]WL[792.188]
;B[dq]BL[817.045]C[cdocdo [4k\]: i think this is almost final match
]
;W[cq]WL[785.345]C[gogonuts [5d\]: a little early
pasky [2d?\]: they will surely be rematched
Lycoris [7d\]: De facto final match?
]
;B[ep]BL[808.778]C[pasky [2d?\]: so not really ;)
]
;W[pb]WL[779.672]
;B[do]BL[798.843]
;W[cp]WL[772.88]
;B[co]BL[794.446]
;W[eo]WL[766.119]
;B[bo]BL[786.376]
;W[dr]WL[759.328]C[jlg [?\]: how many playouts/s does MF at the beginning of the game? I can't believe it is that fast :-)
]
;B[en]BL[779.749]C[ZenAuthor [-\]: zen cannot handle canadian byoyomi
]
;W[fo]WL[752.609]
;B[fn]BL[770.349]C[ZenAuthor [-\]: so it plays as sudden death
]
;W[go]WL[745.888]C[gogonuts [5d\]: put it on the list :-)
]
;B[gn]BL[763.272]C[fotland [?\]: same for MF - sudden death
]
;W[ho]WL[740.394]
;B[dm]BL[756.228]
;W[gq]WL[734.894]
;B[cf]BL[746.998]
;W[fd]WL[728.255]C[gogonuts [5d\]: decent result for mf after the tenuki
fotland [?\]: 45% good start for zen
]
;B[dj]BL[739.82]C[Aloriless [2d?\]: well, the purpose of byoyomi was so that bots don't lose on time because of lag
]
;W[eg]WL[723.136]
;B[ef]BL[731.711]C[joxn [-\]: jlg: MF uses joseki  library early in the game
]
;W[ff]WL[716.522]
;B[ee]BL[727.423]
;W[fe]WL[709.936]
;B[dg]BL[719.316]
;W[np]WL[704.036]C[fotland [?\]: mf is doing 30K to 45K po/sec
]
;B[jn]BL[709.582]
;W[hn]WL[697.596]
;B[im]BL[701.559]C[gogonuts [5d\]: k6 not so good
]
;W[hm]WL[691.171]C[gogonuts [5d\]: better L6
]
;B[nr]BL[693.603]C[fotland [?\]: 42% now
]
;W[il]WL[686.288]C[gogonuts [5d\]: dont invite w h6
Lycoris [7d\]: b fatal mistake
]
;B[jl]BL[685.998]
;W[jk]WL[680.943]
;B[ik]BL[681.626]
;W[hl]WL[674.529]
;B[kl]BL[675.448]C[gogonuts [5d\]: humans would take w
]
;W[jj]WL[668.261]
;B[mm]BL[665.735]C[gogonuts [5d\]: bots have a different way to look at things :-)
]
;W[ok]WL[661.945]C[fotland [?\]: mf prefers white too
]
;B[bd]BL[657.231]
;W[lk]WL[655.731]
;B[kk]BL[650.77]
;W[kj]WL[649.501]
;B[lj]BL[647.327]
;W[li]WL[643.329]
;B[mj]BL[644.035]
;W[mk]WL[637.104]
;B[nj]BL[639.319]C[joxn [-\]: MF thinks black starts with a 47% win when there is 7.5 komi
Lycoris [7d\]: nice w
]
;W[nk]WL[630.91]
;B[oi]BL[634.723]
;W[lp]WL[624.654]
;B[kq]BL[630.659]
;W[lq]WL[618.549]
;B[lr]BL[626.928]
;W[jo]WL[613.199]
;B[ko]BL[623.294]
;W[kp]WL[607.139]
;B[io]BL[617.515]
;W[jq]WL[601.068]C[cdocdo [4k\]: Wow!!!
gogonuts [5d\]: oops, i got the colors wrong from the start, how blind of me
]
;B[kr]BL[611.463]
;W[ip]WL[595.502]
;B[jo]BL[607.906]
;W[iq]WL[590.639]
;B[pn]BL[598.307]C[IvanD [4d\]: anyway, white is still white, right ?
]
;W[po]WL[584.754]C[gogonuts [5d\]: :-)
]
;B[pm]BL[593.667]
;W[nm]WL[579.856]C[gogonuts [5d\]: but zen isnt zen
]
;B[qo]BL[588.953]
;W[mn]WL[574.271]C[IvanD [4d\]: white seems stronger
]
;B[oo]BL[576.691]C[IvanD [4d\]: white = zen ^^
]
;W[no]WL[568.395]
;B[om]BL[570.595]C[gogonuts [5d\]: its easy to seem stronger in the better position :-)
]
;W[op]WL[562.538]C[Aloriless [2d?\]: black is in desperate mode
]
;B[nl]BL[566.473]C[from2ch [3k\]: stronger is zen, this is all
]
;W[ml]WL[556.729]
;B[ij]BL[555.542]
;W[jh]WL[550.99]
;B[ih]BL[548.296]
;W[jg]WL[546.329]
;B[ig]BL[543.246]
;W[jf]WL[541.227]C[gogonuts [5d\]: q18 was a funny tenuki, but mf got surprisingly little out of it
]
;B[if]BL[536.526]
;W[ie]WL[535.4]
;B[je]BL[531.381]
;W[ii]WL[530.202]
;B[hi]BL[526.884]
;W[ji]WL[524.751]
;B[he]BL[521.818]
;W[id]WL[519.072]
;B[jd]BL[510.472]
;W[ic]WL[514.524]
;B[jc]BL[501.837]
;W[hd]WL[508.906]C[splashy [1k\]: b seems confused
]
;B[ib]BL[497.35]
;W[hb]WL[504.465]
;B[gd]BL[492.576]
;W[hc]WL[499.979]
;B[ha]BL[479.137]
;W[jb]WL[494.428]C[gogonuts [5d\]: bots that dont see a way to victory become depressed
]
;B[ja]BL[469.026]C[fotland [?\]: behind  and desparate
]
;W[ia]WL[489.416]
;B[kb]BL[460.893]
;W[ka]WL[484.009]
;B[gc]BL[449.571]
;W[hf]WL[479.536]
;B[ge]BL[439.752]C[pandanet [2d\]: i expected more then that from many
]
;W[gb]WL[474.128]
;B[nn]BL[431.642]
;W[lm]WL[469.587]
;B[nm]BL[427.007]
;W[lo]WL[464.878]
;B[qm]BL[421.777]
;W[fi]WL[459.987]
;B[lc]BL[415.781]
;W[ne]WL[455.576]
;B[mh]BL[404.074]
;W[lf]WL[451.225]
;B[mf]BL[397.041]
;W[me]WL[446.89]
;B[le]BL[390.336]
;W[nf]WL[441.717]
;B[kf]BL[384.382]
;W[lg]WL[436.929]
;B[kg]BL[378.715]
;W[lh]WL[432.494]
;B[kn]BL[374.656]
;W[ln]WL[427.316]
;B[mg]BL[367.543]
;W[kh]WL[422.947]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i think the way to punish the w tenuki was with c2, not with d5
]
;B[ke]BL[357.181]
;W[hj]WL[417.851]
;B[la]BL[348.585]
;W[mb]WL[413.616]
;B[ja]BL[341.949]
;W[ga]WL[409.449]
;B[md]BL[332.25]
;W[pe]WL[404.538]
;B[nd]BL[328.161]
;W[qe]WL[400.156]
;B[mi]BL[324.151]
;W[hk]WL[395.853]C[pandanet [2d\]: OO
]
;B[qc]BL[320.359]
;W[qg]WL[391.405]
;B[rf]BL[313.091]
;W[pc]WL[387.251]
;B[od]BL[309.841]C[gogonuts [5d\]: yeah, if b gets all ...
]
;W[qd]WL[382.792]
;B[rc]BL[306.25]
;W[pf]WL[378.525]
;B[rg]BL[299.921]
;W[rd]WL[373.751]C[gogonuts [5d\]: zenb ok
]
;B[qb]BL[296.792]
;W[qa]WL[369.025]
;B[ra]BL[294.302]
;W[pa]WL[364.768]
;B[sb]BL[291.887]C[from2ch [3k\]: oh,,
gogonuts [5d\]: but that looked dangerous
cdocdo [4k\]: wow!!!!
]
;W[lb]WL[360.073]
;B[ka]BL[287.71]C[splashy [1k\]: nice
]
;W[kc]WL[355.752]
;B[ib]BL[282.675]
;W[qh]WL[351.455]
;B[rh]BL[279.661]C[gogonuts [5d\]: soon we will say: zen played it, so it must be ok :-)
]
;W[jb]WL[347.016]
;B[kd]BL[277.332]
;W[ma]WL[342.395]
;B[oc]BL[273.044]C[ThePok [?\]: soon?
]
;W[kc]WL[337.735]C[ThePok [?\]: 3 years?
]
;B[kb]BL[270.765]C[ThePok [?\]: 10?
]
;W[ph]WL[333.213]
;B[pi]BL[268.46]
;W[sc]WL[329.172]
;B[sd]BL[266.014]
;W[ob]WL[324.988]C[gogonuts [5d\]: i wont try to specify :-)
]
;B[mc]BL[263.65]
;W[nb]WL[321.157]
;B[ka]BL[261.292]C[ThePok [?\]: after your death?
]
;W[di]WL[317.031]C[ThePok [?\]: ;D
]
;B[ci]BL[258.775]
;W[dl]WL[313.22]C[gogonuts [5d\]: thats not soon i hope
]
;B[el]BL[256.092]
;W[ja]WL[309.375]
;B[kc]BL[250.542]
;W[oe]WL[305.696]
;B[na]BL[247.248]
;W[cm]WL[301.895]
;B[cn]BL[245.194]
;W[ek]WL[297.888]
;B[cl]BL[242.826]C[gogonuts [5d\]: ???
]
;W[dh]WL[293.9]C[splashy [1k\]: fun game
]
;B[oh]BL[239.128]
;W[ch]WL[289.959]C[pandanet [2d\]: i cant believe how b took all of this 
]
;B[eh]BL[235.811]C[gogonuts [5d\]: what about t15?
]
;W[dk]WL[286.037]C[IvanD [4d\]: hey, zen screw up badly
]
;B[ck]BL[232.059]
;W[bf]WL[282.077]
;B[bg]BL[228.303]
;W[cg]WL[278.22]C[gogonuts [5d\]: right, its already lost the top
]
;B[fg]BL[224.523]C[IvanD [4d\]: nice come back from mfg
]
;W[ce]WL[274.533]
;B[ei]BL[222.611]
;W[df]WL[270.713]
;B[fk]BL[220.415]
;W[gg]WL[266.955]C[fotland [?\]: 67% now
]
;B[cc]BL[216.137]
;W[eg]WL[263.216]
;B[fh]BL[213.501]
;W[gh]WL[259.45]C[fotland [?\]: I looked away for a few minutes and everythign changed
]
;B[ej]BL[210.811]
;W[db]WL[255.896]
;B[gi]BL[207.471]
;W[hh]WL[252.309]
;B[ed]BL[204.693]C[IvanD [4d\]: maybe mfg undestand semeai better
Aloriless [2d?\]: swindle worked ;-)
gogonuts [5d\]: hane at r19 was catastrphic
]
;W[ec]WL[248.8]
;B[dg]BL[202.694]
;W[gj]WL[245.28]
;B[eg]BL[200.818]
;W[cd]WL[241.868]
;B[bh]BL[198.966]
;W[cf]WL[238.326]
;B[bi]BL[194.912]
;W[oq]WL[234.813]
;B[or]BL[193.224]
;W[pp]WL[231.373]
;B[qr]BL[188.879]
;W[cb]WL[228.021]
;B[af]BL[184.794]
;W[ae]WL[224.743]
;B[rl]BL[180.778]C[from2ch [3k\]: they think there r seki?
gogonuts [5d\]: zen should know not to play r19, funny
]
;W[mr]WL[221.461]
;B[mq]BL[179.214]
;W[nq]WL[218.209]
;B[ms]BL[177.615]
;W[mp]WL[214.981]
;B[mr]BL[175.943]
;W[gm]WL[211.71]
;B[rk]BL[174.848]
;W[qj]WL[208.539]
;B[rj]BL[173.762]
;W[ag]WL[205.35]
;B[bp]BL[172.717]
;W[bq]WL[202.239]
;B[aq]BL[171.643]
;W[ar]WL[199.142]
;B[ap]BL[170.571]
;W[ah]WL[195.941]
;B[br]BL[169.52]
;W[cr]WL[192.892]
;B[as]BL[168.466]
;W[ai]WL[189.86]
;B[bj]BL[167.418]C[gogonuts [5d\]: no w is dead in the top right
]
;W[jr]WL[186.862]
;B[aj]BL[166.435]
;W[fm]WL[183.899]
;B[pk]BL[165.368]C[pandanet [2d\]: he also cant res?
]
;W[pj]WL[180.971]
;B[pl]BL[164.366]C[cdocdo [4k\]: r19 and q19 is amazingly bad
gogonuts [5d\]: its what we call "temporary seki" :-)
]
;W[oj]WL[178.026]
;B[ql]BL[163.383]
;W[ll]WL[175.063]
;B[ol]BL[162.381]
;W[af]WL[172.138]
;B[js]BL[161.406]
;W[em]WL[169.266]
;B[dn]BL[160.408]
;W[is]WL[166.365]
;B[ks]BL[159.432]
;W[fp]WL[163.507]
;B[re]BL[158.443]
;W[fj]WL[160.627]
;B[pg]BL[157.486]
;W[cs]WL[157.976]
;B[ar]BL[156.497]
;W[bs]WL[155.199]
;B[km]BL[155.563]
;W[in]WL[152.439]
;B[er]BL[154.634]
;W[eq]WL[149.747]
;B[fr]BL[153.703]
;W[jm]WL[147.164]
;B[gk]BL[152.799]
;W[fl]WL[145.098]
;B[ek]BL[151.857]
;W[oo]WL[143.026]
;B[hs]BL[150.931]
;W[ir]WL[140.935]
;B[de]BL[150.036]
;W[gl]WL[138.904]
;B[]BL[150.035]C[fotland [?\]: 98%
zapp [6d?\]: Could it be that zen evaluates seki in the tree in misjudges temporary sekis?
]
;W[dc]WL[136.846]
;B[]BL[150.035]
;W[]WL[136.844]TW[aa][ba][ca][da][ea][fa][ha][ab][bb][eb][fb][ib][ac][bc][cc][fc][gc][ad][bd][gd][be][ge][he][gf][if][hg][ig][ih][gi][hi][ki][ij][ik][kk][jl][kl][im][km][jn][kn][io][jo][ko][mo][ep][gp][hp][jp][dq][fq][hq][er][fr][gr][hr][ds][es][fs][gs][hs]TB[la][ma][oa][pa][qa][sa][lb][mb][nb][ob][pb][rb][nc][pc][sc][ld][qd][rd][me][ne][oe][pe][qe][se][nf][of][pf][sf][ng][og][qg][sg][nh][ph][qh][sh][ni][ri][si][cj][sj][ak][bk][dk][sk][al][bl][dl][sl][am][bm][cm][rm][sm][an][bn][qn][rn][sn][ao][ro][so][rp][sp][qq][rq][sq][pr][rr][sr][ls][ns][os][ps][qs][rs][ss]C[cdocdo [4k\]: oooohhhh
DanielFox [1k?\]: congrats MF!
splashy [1k\]: awesome game
fotland [?\]: wow, lucky win for MF
AttoFaas [4k\]: bizarro
Aloriless [2d?\]: good demonstration against resigning too early
joxn [-\]: monte carlo doesn't understand semeai
fotland [?\]: at low was only 21%
cdocdo [4k\]: zen is bad at counting...???
joxn [-\]: playouts often misread
fotland [?\]: And the old go engine has some swindle knowledge
Aloriless [2d?\]: fotland: what is resign threshold?
fotland [?\]: 10% MC, and over some number of points from the old engine
fotland [?\]: and no big moves from the move generator
fotland [?\]: in the old engine
gogonuts [5d\]: r19 is certainly a bug to fix
])
