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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go:11.0]
SZ[19]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[pachi2]
PW[EricaBot]
DT[2011-01-09]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.5]
TM[1740]
RU[Chinese]
RE[W+Time]
WR[3d]
OT[25/60 Canadian]
C[pachi2 [-\]: GTP Engine for pachi2 (black): Pachi Distributed \
Engine version 6.99 (Chihaku-devel): I'm playing the distributed \
engine. When I'm losing, I will resign, if I think I win, I play \
until you pass. Anyone can send me 'winrate' in private chat \
to get my assessment of the position.
EricaBot [3d\]: GTP Engine for EricaBot (white): Erica version \
1
pasky [?\]: We meet right away! :-)]
CA[UTF-8];B[oc]BL[1738.298];W[qp]
C[jlg [?\]: I wish we had started with an easier opponent :-)
ajahuang [6d\]: it's exactly what I want
ajahuang [6d\]: good :)]
WL[1723.114];B[ce]
C[ibd [5k?\]: not easy for pachi, psychologically I mean
LastAngel [?\]: ajahuang did u program this?]
BL[1700.191];W[dc]
C[idontca1: his wife
LastAngel [?\]: or is it former "crazystone" from remi coulom?]
WL[1706.239];B[gc]BL[1662.684];W[dq]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: what?
idontca1: aja he said he programmed every line of code
ajahuang [6d\]: I program this myself, completely
ajahuang [6d\]: yes]
WL[1689.319];B[cn]BL[1625.779];W[cp]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: Remi has source of Erica, but he said it's too \
complicated to read
ajahuang [6d\]: he is not willing to read :(
idontca1: is he helping you?
ajahuang [6d\]: so he can't work with me, just idea discussing]
WL[1670.168]
;B[ck]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: and he is very busy now
LastAngel [?\]: do you know what happens to remi´s crazystone?]
BL[1589.93];W[ed]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: he is busy other things
LastAngel [?\]: was one of strongest bots formerly
LastAngel [?\]: ok]
WL[1653.224];B[ge]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: crazystone will go commercial in Japan]
BL[1554.696];W[ef]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: in this year
LastAngel [?\]: interesting... same way like zen in japan :)
ajahuang [6d\]: so Remi will spend time to improve]
WL[1636.089];B[nq]
C[LastAngel [?\]: of course :)
Hannoskaj [?\]: Isn't that a bit late?
pasky [?\]: wow, will it?
ibd [5k?\]: b is so low]
BL[1520.164];W[qd]
C[pasky [?\]: ajahuang: do you think it will sell when there is \
also zen which is likely much stronger?]
WL[1619.071];B[qg]BL[1486.066];W[pe]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: you mean crazystone?
ajahuang [6d\]: crazystone will become very strong...]
WL[1601.934];B[og]
C[fotland [?\]: ManyFaces sells in Japan too (as AI IGO)]
BL[1452.489];W[ne]
C[fotland [?\]: This game looks like go, not the old MCTS style
LastAngel [?\]: mfog is available in europe, too :)
pasky [?\]: fotland: oh does it? i didn't know!
ajahuang [6d\]: R13 is a very new joseki from Korea
ajahuang [6d\]: how come pachi knows it?]
WL[1582.437]
;B[kc]
C[ibd [5k?\]: it looks like: "oh, I got a joseki database"
ibd [5k?\]: "my programmer forbid me to play cosmic style"]
BL[1419.586];W[mc]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: from old game records, there are no R13...
idontca1: it did the same in top left corner]
WL[1565.202];B[md]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: I need to change to laptop, my wife will sleep]
BL[1387.015];W[nd]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: back soon]
WL[1547.961];B[nc]
C[pasky [?\]: actually, i'm a bit surprised - it seems to me that \
on the cluster, pachi likes joseki way more even though there \
is no special extra preference configured
fotland [?\]: AI Igo (mfgo) new version in japan every year for \
about 12 years now
pasky [?\]: i guess it can appreciate them ;-)]
BL[1354.464];W[ld]WL[1530.752];B[mb]
C[fotland [?\]: maybe because joseki are better moves :)
gogonuts [5d\]: lol]
BL[1344.232];W[lc]
C[ibd [5k?\]: sounds intriuging, pasky :D]
WL[1513.604];B[lb]BL[1333.988];W[kd]
C[Hannoskaj [?\]: MFGO also has quite probably the most numerous \
features in any program, beside the engine;]
WL[1496.372]
;B[jc]
C[pasky [?\]: ajahuang: the R13 joseki is in kogo; though pachi \
expects o16, not o15; kogo says o15 is "not recommended" :)]
BL[1315.317];W[cg]WL[1476.118];B[dg]BL[1283.202];W[df]
C[gogonuts [5d\]: tough fight for b]
WL[1458.647];B[cf]
C[pasky [?\]: and pachi *likes* it that way! ;-)
jlg [?\]: b is a tough bot don't worry
gogonuts [5d\]: lol]
BL[1269.05];W[ch]
C[idontca1: i have r13 in a game from 1676]
WL[1441.161];B[bg]BL[1237.585];W[bh]WL[1423.573];B[dh]BL[1206.627];W[di]WL[1405.86]
;B[eh]
C[chid0ri [?\]: cute]
BL[1182.099];W[bj]WL[1388.235];B[ei]BL[1149.298];W[dj]WL[1370.445];B[ej]BL[1119.855];W[dk]WL[1352.475];B[ek]BL[1090.961];W[dl]WL[1334.46];B[bc]BL[1062.833];W[bb]WL[1322.198]
;B[cb]BL[1035.059];W[cc]WL[1303.994];B[ci]
C[ibd [5k?\]: fight the powwa]
BL[1007.586];W[cj]
C[pasky [?\]: jlg: what are the figures?
pasky [?\]: pachi is weak at fighting...
ibd [5k?\]: why not just live happily?
Javaness [2d\]: *strokes pachi2's ears*]
WL[1291.465];B[el]
C[masek [?\]: ;) Avatar by chid0ri is awesome
ibd [5k?\]: yes, cute picture :>
jlg [?\]: 48%]
BL[980.61];W[em]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: interesting
jlg [?\]: but it is too optimistic as usual
ajahuang [6d\]: still even]
WL[1273.093];B[fm]
C[pasky [?\]: ajahuang: what does erica thing?
ajahuang [6d\]: I don't know
ibd [5k?\]: ajahuang, do you know what erica thinks atm?]
BL[958.843];W[fn]
C[pasky [?\]: ok
ajahuang [6d\]: I don't want to log in my server
ibd [5k?\]: ok :)
ajahuang [6d\]: because that will make it lag]
WL[1254.673];B[en]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: it is a PC :(
ibd [5k?\]: haha]
BL[950.81];W[dm]
C[chid0ri [?\]: pachi doesn't have ears, he has antennae 
ajahuang [6d\]: Erica is runnong on 2 cores, 4 threads, 2.7 GHz]
WL[1242.222]
;B[gn]
C[ibd [5k?\]: is it limited by RAM at these time settings?]
BL[924.653];W[fo]
C[ibd [5k?\]: h7]
WL[1223.448];B[ab]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: no
ajahuang [6d\]: Erica does not need much RAM]
BL[899.009];W[ba]
C[ibd [5k?\]: I see
ajahuang [6d\]: 500MB-1G is enough
ajahuang [6d\]: because it does few simulatikons]
WL[1204.585];B[ca]
C[ibd [5k?\]: ah :)
ajahuang [6d\]: 100,000 to 200,000
masek [?\]: oho nice]
BL[873.875];W[bd]
C[masek [?\]: what kind of euristic do you have ?
ibd [5k?\]: masek, do you run masec?]
WL[1191.749];B[aa]
C[masek [?\]: masec - mogo
ibd [5k?\]: I know it's mogo
ibd [5k?\]: is it related to you?
masek [?\]: yeap]
BL[849.231];W[cd]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: masek, who are you?]
WL[1178.856];B[qm]
C[pasky [?\]: *ominous music*
masek [?\]: Vasily :) 
ibd [5k?\]: HEHE]
BL[825.148];W[gm]
C[masek [?\]: nice joke :)]
WL[1159.615]
;B[fl]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: stonegrid is strong
ajahuang [6d\]: Zen is behind
pasky [?\]: hmm e18 works for b if he wishes, right?]
BL[815.417];W[hn]
C[ibd [5k?\]: oh, really
gogonuts [5d\]: its giving zen a hard time right now
gogonuts [5d\]: yes]
WL[1140.424];B[go]BL[792];W[gp]
C[pasky [?\]: yay
pasky [?\]: let's play out ladders?
ajahuang [6d\]: where is mfgo?
jlg [?\]: I told you the ladder bug was not fixed]
WL[1127.288];B[ho]
C[pasky [?\]: but but but
pasky [?\]: noooo
ajahuang [6d\]: ladder???]
BL[755.67];W[io]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: OH
pasky [?\]: dontplaythere dontplaythere
jlg [?\]: aaaaarrrrrgggggghhhhhh
DnFBlitz [1k\]: haha
jlg [?\]: pasky you have home work
ibd [5k?\]: and that is why bots haven't reached pro level yet
pasky [?\]: looking at it right now]
WL[1120.155];B[hp]
C[pasky [?\]: at least pachi thinks about it well]
BL[721.152];W[hq]
C[DnFBlitz [1k\]: look at it positively!  you found a testcase for \
a bug
gogonuts [5d\]: maybe b sees the ladder, but his only hope is \
that w doesnt :-)]
WL[1113.022];B[ip]
C[chid0ri [?\]: oh no not again
jlg [?\]: this is painful]
BL[700.07];W[jp]
C[ibd [5k?\]: :(
ajahuang [6d\]: well, for ladder you can create the nodes directly....
ibd [5k?\]: do you do that, aja?]
WL[1104.05]
;B[mf]
C[ibd [5k?\]: it seems a bit like quiescence search
pasky [?\]: hmm
ajahuang [6d\]: yes
pasky [?\]: locally, pachi does not like ladder]
BL[668.086];W[nf]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: it can completely solves the ladder
ajahuang [6d\]: there is a paper for that
ajahuang [6d\]: I have sent to jlg
ibd [5k?\]: is it about go, or generally?]
WL[1089.985];B[ng]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: it's about MCTS
ibd [5k?\]: oh, nice
ibd [5k?\]: do you have a link? :D]
BL[637.549];W[lf]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: no
ajahuang [6d\]: it's not public, I think
ajahuang [6d\]: I can send to you, if you like]
WL[1075.938];B[iq]BL[608.385];W[ir]WL[1068.562];B[mg]BL[580.514];W[me]
C[jlg [?\]: In it's new picture, pachi2 is broken because it fell \
from a ladder]
WL[1054.871];B[kf]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: Zen reverse the situation
gogonuts [5d\]: or stonegrid did :-)]
BL[554.494];W[lg]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: I think Zen is leading
ajahuang [6d\]: gogo how do you think?
gogonuts [5d\]: yes, its leading]
WL[1034.81]
;B[lh]
C[masek [?\]: can you give me paper to me also to info@gokifu.com \
?]
BL[529.693];W[jq]WL[1021.452];B[kg]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: see my message :)]
BL[522.658];W[le]
C[gogonuts [5d\]: k3 wasnt the strongest move onm the board ...
DnFBlitz [1k\]: w must be confident it wins, now]
WL[1002.14];B[qr]BL[500.343];W[pr]WL[983.161];B[pq]
C[gogonuts [5d\]: yes, k3 is a "you bore me" move, but still
gogonuts [5d\]: no reason to let b com ecloser again]
BL[493.392];W[qq]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: at least it raises the sente or G8 :)
ajahuang [6d\]: sente at G8
DnFBlitz [1k\]: well, it probably guessed there might be a chance \
it misses the ladder or so, i don't know]
WL[964.824];B[or]
C[DnFBlitz [1k\]: maybe ajahuang can tell us why it might play K3
DnFBlitz [1k\]: :)
ajahuang [6d\]: I can't]
BL[472.416];W[pp]
C[DnFBlitz [1k\]: ok
ajahuang [6d\]: I want to play for Erica :(]
WL[952.272]
;B[ps]
C[ibd [5k?\]: hehe]
BL[466.21];W[np]
C[gogonuts [5d\]: maybe it improved the random playouts by 1% :-)]
WL[940.222];B[mp]
C[gogonuts [5d\]: erica will get this home fine]
BL[459.987];W[mo]WL[922.605];B[op]BL[440.509];W[oo]WL[910.807];B[no]BL[434.733];W[nn]
C[ibd [5k?\]: nice shapes - h3 and o3]
WL[904.739];B[lo]BL[416.547];W[np]WL[893.019]
;B[bi]BL[399.182];W[ai]WL[886.908];B[no]BL[394.186];W[pm]WL[875.585];B[mn]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: Black gains a lot here
gogonuts [5d\]: interesting move at q7]
BL[378.272];W[qn]
C[gogonuts [5d\]: good enough for w]
WL[864.414];B[ql]BL[362.997];W[nm]
C[gogonuts [5d\]: the four ponukisare worth less than 4*30 points \
:-)]
WL[847.914];B[rn]BL[348.312];W[pn]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: at least 10-20 points, I think]
WL[837.097]
;B[ro]BL[334.266];W[qo]
C[gogonuts [5d\]: together 
ibd [5k?\]: this game looks simple in comparison to zen vs. SG \
:p]
WL[826.369];B[om]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: stonegrid was leading a lot in the opening]
BL[320.853];W[ol]
C[gogonuts [5d\]: w won this game]
WL[810.78];B[qb]
C[gogonuts [5d\]: p7 shows that b knows its hopeless]
BL[308.008];W[qf]WL[800.362];B[rf]BL[295.732];W[re]WL[794.932];B[pf]BL[284.019];W[of]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: black can reverse, if kill this group]
WL[784.785]
;B[pg]BL[274.819];W[od]
C[ibd [5k?\]: no way]
WL[779.478];B[eb]
C[ibd [5k?\]: last hope]
BL[263.892];W[de]WL[769.393];B[nl]BL[253.495];W[pl]WL[759.46];B[mm]BL[247.115];W[on]WL[754.387];B[pk]BL[237.5];W[qk]WL[744.69]
;B[rk]BL[228.369];W[qj]WL[735.163];B[pj]BL[219.526];W[rl]WL[725.787];B[rm]BL[212.199];W[rj]WL[716.543];B[sl]BL[205.119];W[nk]
C[ibd [5k?\]: zen won]
WL[707.417];B[pi]
C[ibd [5k?\]: presumably]
BL[193.832];W[hk]WL[698.22]
;B[hj]BL[186.086];W[ij]WL[689.271];B[hi]BL[178.684];W[ml]WL[680.539];B[ik]BL[171.453];W[jk]WL[671.89];B[il]BL[164.581];W[hl]WL[663.4];B[jj]BL[157.887];W[kj]WL[654.961]
;B[ii]BL[151.429];W[kh]WL[646.566];B[ki]BL[145.134];W[li]WL[638.351];B[jh]BL[139.053];W[mh]WL[630.19];B[lj]BL[133.257];W[kh]WL[622.086];B[kk]BL[127.444];W[jd]
C[chid0ri [?\]: pachi needs more love and attention]
WL[614.12]
;B[rg]BL[121.975];W[pc]WL[606.282];B[pb]BL[117.105];W[ob]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: before that ladder, game was even]
WL[598.532];B[nb]BL[112.071];W[hd]
C[pasky [?\]: chid0ri: so i should re-allocate my resources ;)]
WL[590.882];B[id]BL[107.142];W[gd]WL[583.361];B[fc]BL[102.341];W[fd]
C[ibd [5k?\]: :)]
WL[575.897]
;B[hc]BL[97.765];W[ie]WL[568.523];B[gg]
C[ibd [5k?\]: that was a projection]
BL[93.281];W[ic]WL[561.339];B[ib]BL[89.008];W[db]WL[554.154];B[da]BL[85.376];W[rc]WL[547.088];B[rb]BL[81.298];W[lh]WL[540.073]
;B[lr]
C[chid0ri [?\]: *sob*]
BL[77.372];W[kr]WL[533.156];B[ll]BL[73.544];W[lq]WL[526.297];B[mr]
C[fotland [?\]: pachi using time agressively]
BL[69.887];W[jm]
C[fotland [?\]: does it think longer when it is behind?]
WL[519.655];B[im]
C[ibd [5k?\]: I wonder if any bot implements this]
BL[66.414];W[in]
C[ajahuang [6d\]: 97% now
ajahuang [6d\]: I just log on my server
pasky [?\]: ibd: that's too late to think longer :)
ibd [5k?\]: yes, but maybe something like: while max_winrate is \
<0.4, think
gogonuts [5d\]: before the ladder erica was already ahead, because \
g7 and r7 were miai
ibd [5k?\]: could work?
ajahuang [6d\]: really?
ajahuang [6d\]: I think it was close
gogonuts [5d\]: fighting with d13 wasnt good
gogonuts [5d\]: better was r7 or r6 right away
ajahuang [6d\]: hmm
ajahuang [6d\]: agree
pasky [?\]: jlg?
ajahuang [6d\]: pachi?
pasky [?\]: not good
chid0ri [?\]: :/
pasky [?\]: pachi seems to have crashed
pasky [?\]: thanks for the game!
jlg [?\]: pachi died indeed
ajahuang [6d\]: thanks for the game
ibd [5k?\]: :/
pasky [?\]: time to look at the ladder
jlg [?\]: I couldn't restart it fast enough
chid0ri [?\]: not a good start
jlg [?\]: thanks for the game
ajahuang [6d\]: thanks
chid0ri [?\]: congrats to erika!
pasky [?\]: hmm
pasky [?\]: d13 is unfortunate
pasky [?\]: i agree that this was the point when things started \
going bad
pasky [?\]: my pachi never wants to play here either
pasky [?\]: though always chooses something different ;) just \
r9 is recurring theme among top moves]
WL[510.321])
