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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go:12.020]
SZ[19]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[CzechBot]
PW[SimpleBot]
DT[2010-10-10]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.5]
TM[43200]
RU[Chinese]
RE[B+Resign]
BR[1k]
WR[20k]
C[CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
SimpleBot [20k?\]: GTP Engine for SimpleBot (white): SimpleGo: \
For more info see http://londerings.novalis.org/wlog/index.php?title=SimpleGo_v0.4.1 \
Source code is at http://londerings.cvs.sourceforge.net/londerings/go/simple_go/ \
: version 0.4.3]
CA[UTF-8];B[pd]BL[43199.766];W[qd]WL[43192.984];B[dp]BL[43199.52];W[pc]WL[43177.715];B[dd]BL[43199.289];W[od]WL[43158.848];B[pp]BL[43199.059];W[pe]WL[43140.078]
;B[kq]BL[43013.695];W[mp]WL[43114.938];B[lo]BL[42816.977];W[ep]WL[43085.652];B[dq]BL[42609.109];W[do]WL[43053.441];B[eo]BL[42389.891];W[fp]WL[43004.262];B[en]BL[42159.488];W[cn]WL[42936.863]
;B[go]BL[41917.551];W[fr]WL[42855.117];B[cm]BL[41663.941];W[hr]WL[42790.98];B[co]BL[41398.254];W[dn]WL[42738.902];B[dm]BL[41121.035];W[bn]WL[42684.848];B[bo]BL[40832.148];W[bp]WL[42649.035]
;B[bm]BL[40532.898];W[an]WL[42601.66];B[ao]BL[40221.824];W[gr]WL[42553.953];B[mo]BL[39898.848];W[bq]
C[CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we wi]
WL[42492.105];B[dr]BL[18140.658];W[jc]
C[CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)]
WL[42000.078];B[iq]BL[17725.527];W[no]WL[41550.41]
;B[np]BL[17370.428];W[cf]
C[gghideki [2k\]: Zen has been playing since W's 36th move.
gghideki [2k\]: The winning rate is 61% now :)]
WL[41120.16];B[nn]
C[gghideki [2k\]: Sorry, it's other Zen's.  It's 20.9%
maproomad [-\]: SimpleBot entered this tournament with the agreement \
that it would be removed if this would make the numbers even. \
Zen (as Zen19S) only connected to KGS after the draw for the \
first round had been made, and so the server removed it from \
the tournament.  We all agreed that we would rather see Zen playing \
in place of SimpleBot, but I cannot influence the server's software. \
So the owners of SimpleBot and Zen agreed, with my approval, \
that Zen would use SimpleBot's account.
maproomad [-\]: Move 36 was the first move made by Zen.
gghideki [2k\]: Thanks Nick.]
BL[17003.844];W[qj]WL[40687.609];B[hc]BL[16626.385];W[ff]
C[CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
pasky [2d?\]: terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' \
what():  std::bad_alloc 
pasky [2d?\]: tralala
quicksand [1d\]: losing on time an a 12 hour game is so sad...
gghideki [2k\]: Can't restart?
pasky [2d?\]: well at that point czechbot crashes
Aloriless [2d?\]: reduce time limit?
pasky [2d?\]: ...and restarts
pasky [2d?\]: ...and it happens again
pasky [2d?\]: aloriless: how to do that in mogo?
gghideki [2k\]: Wow, try long-time versin of MoGo?
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
pasky [2d?\]: gghideki: there is one?
gghideki [2k\]: At Syl's site
gghideki [2k\]: It uses 64 bit interger
pasky [2d?\]: ah yes
pasky [2d?\]: but that is some very old version, and it won't \
help here
pasky [2d?\]: this is apparently a memory issue
Aloriless [2d?\]: --time X or --totalTime X? dunno if it actually \
helps or if kgs overrides, IIRC either one does limit
gghideki [2k\]: Ah, maybe
pasky [2d?\]: imho kgs will override, but i can try
gghideki [2k\]: --collectorLimitTreeSize  does not help?
pasky [2d?\]: oh!
pasky [2d?\]: that sounds interesting
pasky [2d?\]: there is also just limitTreeSize
pasky [2d?\]: wish there were some docs
gghideki [2k\]: Ah, just here http://www.lri.fr/~gelly/MoGo_Download.htm
gghideki [2k\]: --collectorLimitTreeSize xx : limit the tree size \
to xx nodes. Attention: the number of nodes is less than the \
number of simulations. IMPORTANT: if it happens that the tree \
is too big and does not fit into memory, then your computer is \
likely to swap memory and you are going to experience huge slow \
down. Decrease this value if you have little memory (by default \
it is 400000 with --9, 200000 with --13 and 100000 with --19).
pasky [2d?\]: i found even better setting
pasky [2d?\]: --limitMemoryUsed <MB>
pasky [2d?\]: but i'm not sure what to do with time settings now
pasky [2d?\]: if mogo will adapt
pasky [2d?\]: to all the lost time
pasky [2d?\]: i think i will better tell itit has only the current \
time left as totaltime
CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
pasky [2d?\]: simplebot is still simplebot or zen already?
Aloriless [2d?\]: zen
Aloriless [2d?\]: since move 36
pasky [2d?\]: good
Aloriless [2d?\]: hmm. if you have no time setting, I think it \
takes it from KGS
pasky [2d?\]: i have bad experience with mogo in these cases, \
it behaves weird so i'm used to specifying it explicitly
pasky [2d?\]: i'll take a look though
Aloriless [2d?\]: ah, ok, go with experience]
WL[40247.898];B[ec]
C[gghideki [2k\]: Ah, today, in Japan, there is a computer Shogi \
match with female professonal with no handicap and I'm watching \
it sometime, sorry
quicksand [1d\]: computers are not yet superior in shogi?
Aloriless [2d?\]: oh, interesting and its excepted to be a close \
game?
pasky [2d?\]: nice, how are the computers doing?
quicksand [1d\]: :)
gghideki [2k\]: Now computer is ahead a little, people said :)
gghideki [2k\]: in an early end game
gghideki [2k\]: Current computer Shogi is almost competetive weaker \
male pro
gghideki [2k\]: So, this match is a "must win" game
pasky [2d?\]: wow, didn't know computers are so strong in shogi
pasky [2d?\]: is the difference between men and women so large?
gghideki [2k\]: Huge!
gghideki [2k\]: unlike Go
pasky [2d?\]: intriguing
gghideki [2k\]: women are not managed as professional Shogi players, \
in fact]
BL[13964.855];W[hb]
C[gghideki [2k\]: How about in Chess?
Hannoskaj [?\]: Very high, but it's slowly getting closer.
Aloriless [2d?\]: polgar is woman and playes competitively with \
men
Hannoskaj [?\]: She's the only one, and was top ten at her best.
Hannoskaj [?\]: But now we have several women who are almost 2600, \
or even past the bar.]
WL[39797.551];B[gb]
C[gghideki [2k\]: Oh, seems smaller than Shogi
Hannoskaj [?\]: Humpy Koneru, Stefanova...
Hannoskaj [?\]: Maybe a good scale is given by this: the number \
10 woman in the world is currently number 598 overall, according \
to Elo
Aloriless [2d?\]: chess 1997, xiangqi 2006, shogi: 201?, go: 20??]
BL[13834.05];W[hd]
C[gghideki [2k\]: wr: 20.2%, score -40 pt :(]
WL[39375.395]
;B[ic]
C[Hannoskaj [?\]: Now that's a real handicap game!
quicksand [1d\]: does zen use dynamic komi in this type of situation?
Aloriless [2d?\]: fair game if opponent was gnugo
Aloriless [2d?\]: "On 14 October 2005, the Japan Shogi Association \
banned professional shogi players from competing against a computer.[12\] \
The Japan Shogi Association said the rule is to preserve the \
dignity of its professionals, and to make the most of computer \
shogi as a potential business opportunity."
Aloriless [2d?\]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_shogi]
BL[13699.473];W[id]
C[gghideki [2k\]: Zen has dynamic komi but, I guess, it's used on \
advanced positions.]
WL[38950.176];B[ib]
C[quicksand [1d\]: so how do you keep zen patient when it is behind? \
many bots go into "panic mode" and either play forcing moves \
or huge overplays
gghideki [2k\]: *positions with a big advantage
gghideki [2k\]: Sorry, my part is just parallelization and not \
familiar with the detail
quicksand [1d\]: ah, i see. np]
BL[13561.249];W[qp]
C[CzechBot [1k\]: GTP Engine for CzechBot (black): MoGo version \
MoGo version 4.86.Soissons: I'll resign if you win and playing \
until you pass if I win. If you passed and I did not, it often \
means that the status of some stones are not clear enough for \
me (I want to be sure we will agree on dead stones). Clarify \
them. Maybe I am losing, but have not enough time to be sure \
I should resign. In this case play until the end :'( (very rare \
cases)
SimpleBot [21k?\]: GTP Engine for SimpleBot (white): Zen version \
6.3]
WL[38527.332];B[qq]BL[13200.865];W[po]WL[38036.617];B[oo]BL[13054.356];W[kk]WL[37614.059];B[jd]BL[12903.913];W[kc]WL[37199.742]
;B[ge]
C[gghideki [2k\]: Shimizu pro resigned in the Shogi match! :)
Aloriless [2d?\]: they need stronger pro for next year (if they \
do it)]
BL[12749.865];W[hf]WL[36741.59];B[he]BL[12591.73];W[pq]WL[36403.648];B[op]BL[12430.069];W[rp]WL[35925.195];B[ie]BL[12264.521];W[qr]WL[35639.758];B[gf]BL[12095.033];W[ci]WL[35226.602]
;B[gg]
C[Aloriless [2d?\]: and congrats for program]
BL[11921.844];W[kd]
C[JLackland [5k\]: Is w catching up for the initial 20%?
JLackland [5k\]: 36 moves should be too many
gghideki [2k\]: Aloriless, thanks
gghideki [2k\]: now wr is 18.4% :(
JLackland [5k\]: no hope, sadly]
WL[34812.59];B[je]
C[gghideki [2k\]: Lower half was all black at beggining for Zen \
:(
gghideki [2k\]: *beginning]
BL[11744.848];W[kg]WL[34409.145];B[ce]BL[11561.758];W[be]WL[34002.297];B[bd]BL[11376.284];W[de]WL[33605.492];B[cd]BL[11189.015];W[eh]WL[33295.68]
;B[df]BL[11001.669];W[cg]WL[32886.684];B[mk]BL[10814.009];W[gi]WL[32483.773];B[ke]
C[hiss [-\]: what happened?
quicksand [1d\]: zen resigned
gghideki [2k\]: Nothing.  Usual resign for Zen
hiss [-\]: he is able to read that far...
gghideki [2k\]: Longer time made early resign, I guess]
BL[10626.277])
