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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go:12.020]
SZ[19]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[PNUGo]
PW[SimpleBot]
DT[2010-10-11]
PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]
KM[7.5]
TM[43200]
RU[Chinese]
RE[W+Resign]
WR[21k]
C[PNUGo [-\]: GTP Engine for PNUGo (black): Valkyria version 3.5.14_T19SLOW
SimpleBot [21k?\]: GTP Engine for SimpleBot (white): Zen version \
6.3]
CA[UTF-8];B[cj]
C[pasky [2d?\]: hehe, the initial comments look really funny
gghideki [2k\]: :)]
BL[43047.141];W[dd]WL[42863.121];B[dp]BL[42613.5];W[pd]WL[42542.852];B[qi]BL[41967.742];W[qg]WL[42222.984];B[qp]BL[41328.773];W[nq]
C[pacopaco: zen still has a chance
pacopaco: this version of gnugo is funny, it thinks a lot
pacopaco: oh wait, it is valkyria]
WL[42125.012]
;B[iq]BL[40709.91];W[cq]WL[41811.305];B[cp]BL[40108.172];W[dq]WL[41713.473];B[eq]BL[39689.73];W[kq]WL[41615.031];B[de]BL[39101.184];W[er]WL[41516.801];B[fq]BL[38551.863];W[ee]WL[41418.055]
;B[ef]BL[38031.391];W[ff]WL[41319.098];B[ed]BL[37466.543];W[fe]WL[41002.129];B[cd]BL[37445.934];W[dc]WL[40685.074];B[cc]BL[37427.938];W[ec]WL[40480.297];B[ph]BL[36890.527];W[qk]WL[40381.266]
;B[pk]BL[36337.121];W[pl]WL[40281.957];B[pf]BL[35790.336];W[nd]WL[40182.328];B[ol]BL[35236.773];W[df]WL[39863.973];B[pm]BL[35185.898];W[ce]WL[39652.965];B[be]
C[eboesch [1d\]: b still dead after this, right?]
BL[34646.363];W[bf]
C[gghideki [2k\]: I believe so but Zen's wr is 53.8%
eboesch [1d\]: zen is being modest, I think
gghideki [2k\]: And loss at right side is also big...]
WL[39334.125]
;B[qd]
C[eboesch [1d\]: I fiddled around with the top left, it looks to \
me like b's best try is b18 d18 b16 a17 and b still dies]
BL[34091.355];W[qc]WL[39023.09];B[fk]
C[gghideki [2k\]: How about b18 d18 a17?]
BL[33988.191];W[fr]
C[gghideki [2k\]: & c18 b16?]
WL[38677.094];B[lq]BL[33471.957];W[lp]WL[38367.539];B[kp]BL[33399.117];W[jp]WL[38268.559];B[kr]
C[eboesch [1d\]: a17 b19, I think]
BL[33277.668];W[ko]
C[eboesch [1d\]: hmm, then if b16, then ko?]
WL[37963.328]
;B[mp]
C[eboesch [1d\]: b18 d18 a17 b19 b16 c18 ko?
eboesch [1d\]: or slightly better for w, b18 d18 a17 c18 b16 b19 \
ko maybe?
eboesch [1d\]: but nice catch in any case]
BL[33193.176];W[mq]WL[37660.66];B[lr]BL[33189.801];W[gq]
C[eboesch [1d\]: lots of tough players in this tournament]
WL[37521.223];B[gp]BL[32653.502];W[fp]WL[37209.816];B[jo]BL[32438.6];W[io]WL[36881.453];B[ep]BL[32381.168];W[hq]WL[36734.094]
;B[hr]BL[32172.119];W[ip]WL[36571.801];B[gr]
C[gghideki [2k\]: Ah, I didn't noice the ko, thanks.  Now wr is \
68.2%]
BL[32140.055];W[hp]WL[36279.914];B[np]BL[31994.295];W[ir]WL[36181.371];B[oq]
C[zapp [6d?\]: winrate is 40%
zapp [6d?\]: estimated secure territory -10 and influence -30]
BL[31987.932];W[go]WL[35916.945];B[dr]BL[31926.723];W[cr]WL[35629.832]
;B[qe]BL[31705.855];W[cl]WL[35340.312];B[em]BL[31647.684];W[el]WL[35056.512];B[fl]BL[31625.191];W[dj]WL[34773.977];B[dk]BL[31549.434];W[dl]WL[34458.336];B[ek]BL[31521.191];W[dn]WL[34360.234]
;B[en]BL[30972.299];W[fm]WL[34019.129];B[cn]BL[30941.656];W[bn]WL[33727.207];B[bo]BL[30769.652];W[cm]WL[33450.566];B[an]BL[30762.021];W[eo]WL[33352.836];B[do]BL[30753.637];W[fn]WL[32995.176]
;B[fo]BL[30579.994];W[co]WL[32713.648];B[gp]BL[30563.42];W[bp]WL[32616.951];B[cn]BL[30551.832];W[fp]WL[32341.844];B[bq]BL[30502.16];W[dm]WL[32245.641];B[gp]BL[30478.721];W[eo]WL[31955.73]
;B[nc]BL[30436.611];W[co]WL[31792.947];B[lc]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria is still 40% after trading the lower left \
for invading the upper side]
BL[30378.408];W[me]WL[31668.816];B[cn]BL[30363.496];W[fp]WL[31479.533];B[oc]
C[gghideki [2k\]: Hm, Zen is 80.8% after F4
gghideki [2k\]: Can B kill W after Q17?]
BL[30312.502];W[pc]
C[gghideki [2k\]: 75.7%, dropped :)
zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria is now 30%
gghideki [2k\]: If Q15 is sente, W can escape
quicksand [1d\]: q15 is sente
gghideki [2k\]: thx]
WL[31213.881];B[ap]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria now expects q15
gghideki [2k\]: Zen will play C5
zapp [6d?\]: I would play C5 too
gghideki [2k\]: :)
zapp [6d?\]: maybe Valkyria search too global
zapp [6d?\]: It too often expect the opponent to tenuki
gghideki [2k\]: What I'm surprising is Zen almost never changes \
its PV during this long thinking time
gghideki [2k\]: Zen's simulations are highly selective
quicksand [1d\]: maybe it is because it is winning]
BL[29985.934];W[co]
C[quicksand [1d\]: the deeper you search the better the position \
becomes
quicksand [1d\]: so no need to change
zapp [6d?\]: I think a lot of search goes into alternative moves \
for the losing side. But those move are often bad and there is \
no reason to change the PV
gghideki [2k\]: Perhaps no 'cause it's same on the last losed \
game (vs CzechBot)
zapp [6d?\]: Is the Zen PV defined by best score or most searched \
moves?
zapp [6d?\]: It does not matter who is losing for the PV to be \
stable
quicksand [1d\]: does this stability mean that the added time \
does not make much difference to strength?
gghideki [2k\]: The value to be maximized is an expression of \
multiple factors, such as winning rate, etc
gghideki [2k\]: Finally, Zen choosed most visited move
gghideki [2k\]: *ses
zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria goes with most searched but try to search \
deeper when a different move has a higher winrate
gghideki [2k\]: I guess mixing win rate and score is better as \
a commercial product
zapp [6d?\]: Do you mean win rat only would be stronger but "ugly"?
gghideki [2k\]: Yes!
gghideki [2k\]: But it's really stronger or not, I wonder, these \
days
gghideki [2k\]: If the simulations have no bias, it's could be \
true but parctically, it's impossible
zapp [6d?\]: My feeling is that the stronger the program one can \
use score more but I am not sure]
WL[30955.871]
;B[jc]
C[gghideki [2k\]: Agree, more study is required]
BL[29423.045];W[db]
C[gghideki [2k\]: Hm, even Zen, the estimated score is not accurate, \
in fact
gghideki [2k\]: So Yamato is working hard everyday :)
zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria concidered the upper left corner dead already \
and now jumped to 35%
gghideki [2k\]: B d18, e18, b18 c19, b19, ko?
gghideki [2k\]: Sorry, B d18, e18, b18, d19, c19]
WL[30862.393];B[mg]BL[28904.533];W[lg]
C[zapp [6d?\]: I like N13. Early in search it would have played \
P16. 
gghideki [2k\]: Zen was reading N16 then L15 in pondering
gghideki [2k\]: for black]
WL[30744.551];B[lf]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Again it wanted to play B P16 first but changed its \
mind
zapp [6d?\]: So long thinking times do matter.
quicksand [1d\]: seems to take some time to figure out that q15 \
is sente for w
zapp [6d?\]: yes the proof is not trivial
quicksand [1d\]: now you just have to find a way so that the bots \
need to do this only once :)
zapp [6d?\]: This tactical shape appears a lot in 9x9 and Valkyria \
has great trouble reading it out correctly]
BL[28821.006];W[pe]
C[gghideki [2k\]: It's a long long long theme for research ;P
quicksand [1d\]: I can imagine
zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria now plays either R14 or C6
gghideki [2k\]: This Q15 is very late candidate.  First, P18, \
soon changed to L16, finally P18
gghideki [2k\]: Not P18 but Q15
gghideki [2k\]: *finally Q15 :(
gghideki [2k\]: Playing Q15 helps search a lot for both side :)
zapp [6d?\]: Now it looks like c6 is good
zapp [6d?\]: So at least for Valkyria it is clear that long thinking \
times leads to different moves.
zapp [6d?\]: It is now only searching c6.
gghideki [2k\]: Will you introduce larger patterns for 19x19?
gghideki [2k\]: Interesting
quicksand [1d\]: seems that Valkyria needs sente both in lower \
left and upper right to win the game
gghideki [2k\]: Zen is reading only R14
zapp [6d?\]: Yes, if I have the time to do it]
WL[30619.984];B[cn]
C[gghideki [2k\]: quicksand, I guess it's not enough to win, just \
a guess]
BL[28316.094];W[bm]
C[quicksand [1d\]: what I meant is that Valkyria is switching between \
the two a low. seems that gote in one of the corners loses the \
game, so it does not follow through
quicksand [1d\]: *lot
zapp [6d?\]: Well know Valkyria seems completely confused...
quicksand [1d\]: now b2 and then c5 would be logical after c6
zapp [6d?\]: It has searched p16 for a long time but now it wants \
r14
quicksand [1d\]: so switch again, avoiding unpleasent reality \
:)
zapp [6d?\]: And now it suddenly search s17...]
WL[30470.834];B[od]
C[zapp [6d?\]: If ran out of time so it played p16 which had been \
searched slightly more than r14
zapp [6d?\]: It was just a matter of 1000 playouts or so 
quicksand [1d\]: s14 next?
quicksand [1d\]: sorry, r14 
quicksand [1d\]: or b2 to finally kill]
BL[27811.715];W[oe]WL[30069.68]
;B[qf]BL[27761.096];W[mf]WL[29873.072];B[bs]BL[27685.338];W[co]WL[29778.615];B[bp]BL[27641.58];W[og]WL[29684.025];B[pg]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria misplayed the lower left]
BL[27579.912];W[kd]WL[29549.969];B[jd]BL[27515.545];W[kc]WL[29455.051]
;B[ld]
C[quicksand [1d\]: why? looks alive]
BL[27495.684];W[le]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Whye captures with D1 and black is dead
zapp [6d?\]: There is a greedy benefit though. D1 is gote so black \
can now play D1 and live big in sente
quicksand [1d\]: b b2 is sente after d1, so no problem for b
zapp [6d?\]: You are right. Thanks!]
WL[29222.408];B[kb]
C[quicksand [1d\]: welcome]
BL[27289.133];W[pj]WL[29126.768];B[ke]BL[27245.318];W[ok]WL[28852.557];B[lh]BL[27066.857];W[kf]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria has brilliant plan. It want to make a double \
attack against two thick groups just next to a thick white wall.]
WL[28757.787];B[kg]
C[quicksand [1d\]: w actually does not have that many points]
BL[27030.035];W[jg]WL[28595.549]
;B[lf]
C[quicksand [1d\]: but the b f9 group looks weak
zapp [6d?\]: yes they have no value at the moment]
BL[27016.41];W[nl]WL[28501.016];B[jf]
C[quicksand [1d\]: w needs life in the upper right, and then after \
p7 b should still have a chance
zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria is now 43% highest for a long time]
BL[26995.941];W[jh]
C[quicksand [1d\]: wow, zen wants to kill f9, it seems
zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria is confused it want to play C1
zapp [6d?\]: Also p7 and K11 are hot candidates
quicksand [1d\]: b should really help f9 now
zapp [6d?\]: Now j9 is best
zapp [6d?\]: At least 12 candidate moves has been searched deeply
quicksand [1d\]: was d11 one of them?
zapp [6d?\]: No it has been searched only 5k times]
WL[28206.023];B[ik]BL[26546.316];W[ei]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria need more thinking time!
Hannoskaj [?\]: Both are playing quite fast. At move 144, I would \
expect more than half the time to be used. At least if there \
is not too much problem with memory.
Hannoskaj [?\]: Written before reading precious comment...]
WL[27816.172];B[cs]
C[zapp [6d?\]: C1 must be too small but it was also considering \
P7 thats why I wanted it to have more thinking time
quicksand [1d\]: c1 looks like a big mistake]
BL[26096.551];W[ng]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria expected w P14 and will now play there it \
self]
WL[27722.184];B[of]BL[25860.611];W[mh]WL[27627.713]
;B[li]BL[25792.844];W[mi]WL[27533.145];B[lg]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria is now 50%
Hannoskaj [?\]: By the way, how many nodes do you visit at these \
time limits? Are you memory-constrained, or are the heavy playouts \
"slow" enough?]
BL[25749.98];W[nf]WL[27259.074];B[mj]
C[zapp [6d?\]: The selected move is searched about 100k times or \
more
zapp [6d?\]: I fixed the memory problem by only expanding a tree \
for moves that has been played 7 times
zapp [6d?\]: Otherwise it would fill memory after 65k playouts]
BL[25680.523];W[ni]
C[Hannoskaj [?\]: Nodes are quite heavy!
zapp [6d?\]: It is now playing 1700 PO/second using 4 threads
quicksand [1d\]: will be a tough endgame. c9 and p7 look big
Hannoskaj [?\]: Thanks
Hannoskaj [?\]: Is it still trying trying to kill?
quicksand [1d\]: b might have to worry a bit about moves like \
w k10]
WL[27163.953];B[hg]BL[25471.246];W[kj]
C[zapp [6d?\]: yes the fight will be tough now. And the moves in \
the pv was a little vague.]
WL[26985.232];B[lj]BL[25034.414];W[jk]
C[quicksand [1d\]: zapp, do you have a high dan helping you to improve \
Valkyria?
zapp [6d?\]: No, I am 2 Dan and that enough for the stuff I do.
zapp [6d?\]: I high Dan could say: This move stinks. But the reason \
it stinks is often a complicated go programming issue that a \
strong go player probably cannot help with.
quicksand [1d\]: makes sense, as long as the bad moves that you \
see yourself keep you busy there is not much need for help]
WL[26672.328]
;B[nj]
C[zapp [6d?\]: I could use some advice from the programmer of Zen! \
;-)]
BL[24602.691];W[oi]
C[quicksand [1d\]: Maybe Valkyria can win this one. But if not it \
will be due to c1. Very strange move.]
WL[26547.748];B[oh]
C[zapp [6d?\]: yes I saw it comming. It was obsessing about for \
many moves before it finally was played.
zapp [6d?\]: At least now I am sure Valkyria will play P7
quicksand [1d\]: it could have killed the upper right instead, \
I think]
BL[24558.412];W[nh]WL[26406.906];B[om]
C[quicksand [1d\]: risky]
BL[24544.816];W[gi]
C[zapp [6d?\]: It first wante to play H11 but now switched to s10]
WL[26310.848];B[rj]
C[zapp [6d?\]: With H11 white played s10 first and killed the black \
right side group
quicksand [1d\]: great game so far, see you later]
BL[24116.705];W[nk]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Thanks for watching!]
WL[26211.068];B[ll]BL[24094.58];W[km]WL[26113.969]
;B[jj]BL[23907.268];W[lk]WL[26016.275];B[mk]
C[pacopaco: fast
zapp [6d?\]: Yes eval was high for that move so it was judged \
as forced]
BL[23875.752];W[kk]WL[25917.982];B[mm]BL[23456.766];W[qm]WL[25819.168];B[nm]BL[23179.562];W[ij]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Now valkyria want to kill white...
pacopaco: zen played fast that move also
zapp [6d?\]: Actually I think Valkyria now have to kill white \
to win
pacopaco: i wonder if harware is more important in long games \
or blitz ones
zapp [6d?\]: It gives a huge advantage in fast games. With longer \
thinking times the additional playing strength tend to decrease \
but it never goes away.
zapp [6d?\]: Dynamic komi kicked in with me not noticing]
WL[25719.293];B[ob]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria think it is 20 points ahead]
BL[22744.916];W[oj]
C[pacopaco: wow
pacopaco: the valkirya bots running on cgos didnt doo very well]
WL[25619.332]
;B[rl]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Now it is a matter of lief and death reading skill
zapp [6d?\]: No with fast times Valkyria is clearly behinf most \
other programs on 19x19
zapp [6d?\]: On 9x9 Valkyria is a top program]
BL[22694.443];W[rk]WL[25518.744];B[ql]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Now score is dropping to even
gghideki [2k\]: 78.9% & 23.5 pt ahead]
BL[22660.389];W[rm]WL[25418.025];B[pk]
C[gghideki [2k\]: 80.3%
zapp [6d?\]: Ponder hit. Valkyria already had that move searched
gghideki [2k\]: Zen expected R10 insead of Q9
gghideki [2k\]: *instead]
BL[22656.859];W[qj]
C[gghideki [2k\]: 80.9%
zapp [6d?\]: Still even chances]
WL[25317.191];B[pl]BL[22594.801];W[ri]WL[25215.803];B[rh]BL[22593.568];W[sj]WL[25113.777]
;B[rc]
C[zapp [6d?\]: White lives in the PV
gghideki [2k\]: Yes]
BL[22585.096];W[rb]WL[25011.752];B[rd]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Black get T8 in sente as compensation
gghideki [2k\]: B T18 will force a ko
gghideki [2k\]: *would]
BL[22579.596];W[sb]WL[24909.111];B[md]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria will probably play a lot of forcing move \
before score drops
gghideki [2k\]: :)]
BL[22516.979];W[ne]
C[gghideki [2k\]: Horizon effect is also a long long research theme \
to solve :(
gghideki [2k\]: B S13 is required to live?]
WL[24805.865];B[ra]BL[22391.768];W[qa]
C[zapp [6d?\]: R19 makes the position simple and Valkyria is down \
to 44%
gghideki [2k\]: 85.6% and 26 pt ahead
gghideki [2k\]: T8  is sente and big
zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria wants to fight in the center now
gghideki [2k\]: H10 was expected instead of S19 by Zen
gghideki [2k\]: Is it possible to live left black?]
WL[24701.771];B[sl]BL[21992.887];W[sk]WL[24597.053]
;B[fi]BL[21889.141];W[fh]WL[24491.383];B[kl]BL[21514.068];W[jl]WL[24385.258];B[ch]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria hopes zen will ignore this move because \
then it think it can live]
BL[21311.213];W[bk]WL[23960.908];B[hj]
C[gghideki [2k\]: Yah, FudoGo also plays such move.
gghideki [2k\]: Random part of simulations yields such move
zapp [6d?\]: Well actually C12 is not so bad. Since white played \
B9, which is correct I think. Now black has better possibilities \
in the hopeless center fight.]
BL[21247.391];W[hh]
C[gghideki [2k\]: Is better propability not enough for L&D?]
WL[23594.588];B[jm]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria needs some kind of vague double threat. \
because it will lose every local fight.
gghideki [2k\]: Double threat?
zapp [6d?\]: A move that threaten to live on the left side and \
break through the center at the same time
gghideki [2k\]: I see
zapp [6d?\]: If Valkyria simply play out the life and deathe on \
left side it will later be easy for zen play in the center and \
vice versa]
BL[21122.406];W[il]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria is still 40%
gghideki [2k\]: It might be an illusion generated by non-deterministic \
parts of simulations?]
WL[23350.104]
;B[ii]
C[zapp [6d?\]: It certainly isan illusion against Zen but against \
weaker program it could become true
gghideki [2k\]: Yah, yah, agree.  FudoGo make them true ;(]
BL[21027.287];W[ki]WL[23244.885];B[ih]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria saw a ko leading to the exchange of the \
right side group for a big capture i nthe center]
BL[21003.049];W[sh]
C[gghideki [2k\]: Where is the ko?]
WL[23139.287];B[sg]
C[zapp [6d?\]: It would have been at J10 if zen had played the different \
earlier
zapp [6d?\]: Black will tenuki and save the center if white connect \
at T11]
BL[20929.98];W[si]
C[gghideki [2k\]: I understand]
WL[23013.6];B[hl]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria believes that it still possible to make \
a ko for life on the right side
zapp [6d?\]: if white plays first there]
BL[20915.283];W[im]
C[gghideki [2k\]: W s13, s14, t14, t15, t14, t17?]
WL[22906.385];B[rg]BL[20798.695];W[ig]WL[22798.656]
;B[di]BL[20773.451];W[gj]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Zen destroys Valkyria secret second eye!]
WL[22683.545];B[ej]
C[gghideki [2k\]: I wonder if Zen noticed that eye when played B9]
BL[20738.531];W[fj]WL[22574.885];B[ck]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria is happy again with 53%
pacopaco: how do you know whats valkyria thinking?
zapp [6d?\]: I can look at the main variation
gghideki [2k\]: 91.1%
zapp [6d?\]: this usually 10 moves or so
zapp [6d?\]: And then I event a story that fits what I see
zapp [6d?\]: invent not "event"
gghideki [2k\]: Zen was expected B13 rather than C9
pacopaco: but the program is interacting with kgs how is it printing \
stuff in ur computer?]
BL[20699.652];W[bi]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria has a graphical window where the search \
process is displayed
zapp [6d?\]: Otherwise it is just as all other programs
gghideki [2k\]: Zen puts the log to a file]
WL[22466.156];B[bj]
C[pacopaco: and u have to update the file everytime?
gghideki [2k\]: On Linux, tail -f command displays the file simulteniously
pacopaco: i see
zapp [6d?\]: I can click in thw window and see the actual position \
for each move in the main variation]
BL[20651.152];W[aj]
C[gghideki [2k\]: Ah, I want such GUI :)
zapp [6d?\]: When I play offline I can use GoGui and then the \
main variation is updated in realtime on the board
gghideki [2k\]: It's also possible for Zen
alumina [6d\]: Now b h11 best move
zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria want to play some forcing moves before playing \
H11]
WL[22356.699];B[bg]BL[20305.543];W[af]
C[JLackland [5k\]: does h11 work? You mean h11 g12 k11 (eye in gote)c11 \
(no second eye)
JLackland [5k\]: Ah, the cut of the j13 group .. I see
JLackland [5k\]: So b is alive, i guess]
WL[22246.402]
;B[ai]
C[zapp [6d?\]: No b is dying I think, but it will perhaps play a \
lot of move before it is crystal clear]
BL[20100.434];W[ah]WL[22135.328];B[hi]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Ok let us see what happens next!
zapp [6d?\]: in the last variations Valkyria see some interesting \
stuff. But it has probably misread something.]
BL[20076.916];W[gk]WL[22024.207];B[gl]
C[JLackland [5k\]: looks dead now
JLackland [5k\]: Zen is too strong for me
zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria expected this. memory is 85% full at the \
start of this move
JLackland [5k\]: So the game is over?]
BL[20068.504];W[gh]
C[Hannoskaj [?\]: The nice thing is that with these groups trying \
to live, Valkyria wins any ko.
zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria thinks it wins with 45% probability
zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria hoped zen would play H9 rather than G12
zapp [6d?\]: G12 is simpler and better it seems
alumina [6d\]: b e12]
WL[21912.225];B[dg]BL[19759.447];W[cf]
C[alumina [6d\]: b e13 
alumina [6d\]: mistake]
WL[21799.355];B[fg]
C[Hannoskaj [?\]: Do you mean d13 was a mistake?
JLackland [5k\]: w e13 now and no more desperate moves
JLackland [5k\]: maybe not even necessary]
BL[19454.119];W[hf]WL[21685.604]
;B[eh]
C[alumina [6d\]: now b e12  and b  not unconditiomally ead]
BL[19338.545];W[eg]
C[JLackland [5k\]: Zen is doing it the hard way, it must be sure \
of what it is doing
JLackland [5k\]: Nice fight anyway and well played by both]
WL[21571.039];B[bh]
C[zapp [6d?\]: I am very happy with this game
zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria was very weak in the early middle game but \
has played ok since then]
BL[19231.971];W[dh]WL[21456.389];B[ak]
C[alumina [6d\]:  b h9 can be threat ,locally]
BL[19099.707];W[al]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria does not read the recapture
Hannoskaj [?\]: Are there any ko threats in top left? Even too \
small?
Hannoskaj [?\]: It's reading wasting of ko threats?
zapp [6d?\]: I am afraid it will just play a lot of kothreats \
but not the ko....]
WL[21341.615];B[eh]
C[zapp [6d?\]: It is weird. It plays ko threat for both white and \
black in the main variation but never takes the ko
zapp [6d?\]: A good debugging position maybe
zapp [6d?\]: oh it did capture finally]
BL[18859.957];W[cg]WL[21228.002];B[ef]BL[18792.184];W[gg]WL[21113.623]
;B[ag]
C[JLackland [5k\]: Now it played the threat before taking at f11
Hannoskaj [?\]: Taking at f11 loses to e13.]
BL[18761.975];W[ai]
C[JLackland [5k\]: No hope then?
zapp [6d?\]: Right it does not want to fight the ko becuase there \
is nothing to win
zapp [6d?\]: Well it hope white will ignore a kothreat and win \
the ko!
Hannoskaj [?\]: I don't think adding a stone at a15 helps corner, \
either.
zapp [6d?\]: No at most there will be ko threats in the corner
zapp [6d?\]: Score is now down to 25%]
WL[20999.053];B[ae]BL[18494.061];W[eg]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Valkyria is counting down to resignation. 11.5% it \
resigns at 10%]
WL[20883.684];B[mr]
C[Hannoskaj [?\]: Anyhow, it will have been a very nice game. Blame \
c1!]
BL[18405.756];W[hs]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Hmm I was wrong it now resigns at 5% so it will paly \
a few more moves]
WL[20769.057];B[ci]BL[18163.721];W[ak]
C[zapp [6d?\]: Thanks to the Zen team for a good game and to the \
spectators
gghideki [2k\]: Thanks to Valkyria, for a very interesting game]
WL[20653.441])
